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| quote: Originally posted by sigfreund: I have the MDT grip on a couple of my rifles and am happy with them. I don’t know that I’m a good enough shooter to attest that the truly vertical grip style helps me much, but it is becoming very common among shooters who are.
Vertical grips have been around for a long time, A5 style stocks from McMillan, Manners, Sako TRG stock/rifle with an adjustable trigger shoe. A more vertical grip is going to put our hand in a more natural position. It’s good there is more and more vertical AR grips available and bolt rifle chassis that use these grips. Adjustable trigger finger length of pull, even better. Friends have file/sand on their Ergo tactical grips to change the trigger LOP. |
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| There are now more than a few adjustable angle grips out there, too.
The original slant back grip came from the tactic of firing in the prone, if you simulated it standing up, the barrel points vertically at the sky. That requires more slant to be comfortable.
Sitting or standing the rifle rotates down 90 degrees which alters the position of the arm and hand. That is why there are different grip angles. Our combat doctrine in low intensity conflict is more upright using a chest plate which has to be "squared" as a tactic to maximize protection.
Tailor the stance to the application, it's a matter of how the shot is being taken. Paper targets or live targets that don't shoot back allow different positions to be used. |
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| The original firing hand grips on most muskets and early rifles were straight and angled down at the rear only slightly. The same was true of many one-piece military rifle wood stocks into the 20th century. I’m not enough of a weapon historian to know when “pistol grip”* stocks such as used with the M1 Garand first made an appearance, but it was at least as early as the Mauser 98. The effect of such stocks is to position the hand more vertically and naturally. But it wasn’t until rifle designs permitted a separate grip piece, à la the AK-47 that even more vertical designs became common. One-piece stocks of the M14E2 variety with more nearly vertical hand grips would have required larger wood blanks to manufacture and the grips might have been somewhat more prone to being broken in rough use. Much of my shooting with rifles with vertical grips is from the prone and I have never experienced any problem doing so. The same is evidently true of the many competitors who commonly use vertical grips when shooting from the prone as well. That doesn’t mean that a vertical grip is best for all guns and situations, but they do have their advantages sometimes. * As with everything relating to guns, it seems, terminology relating to stock design has changed over time. The stock style of the M1 Garand was once called a “pistol grip” stock, but ever since rifles like the AR-15 and AK-47 have become much more popular, that pistol grip term more commonly refers to their grips that are separate pieces attached to the receiver rather than being part of the stock. Jeff Cooper referred to the AK and similar styles as a “saw handle” grip.
I can tell at sight a Chassepot rifle from a javelin. |
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