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August 13, 2017, 02:54 PM
HCM
US Army moving to 7.62??
quote:
Originally posted by smithnsig:
It's a knee jerk reaction to a new body armor that the Russians have supposedly developed.

on the bright side, that would be a lot of 556 to sell off.

Won't happen for a while though.


5.56 and the M4 are not going anywhere. No one is selling off 5.56. The Army actually cut its rifle ammo purchases awhile back because ammo was not being used.

Getting ranges and time in the training calendar are the biggest limiting factor.

There are so many training mandates on units it would take 400 days to complete all the mandatory" training for the year.
August 13, 2017, 08:08 PM
LtJL
My Secret Squirell buddy says it is happening, and it will be an entirely different cartridge and projectile
August 13, 2017, 08:19 PM
fgwilliams1
quote:
Originally posted by LtJL:
My Secret Squirell buddy says it is happening, and it will be an entirely different cartridge and projectile


Polymer cases in .260 Remington from the in-the-know-deep-operator I heard from.


GW.
August 13, 2017, 08:31 PM
ed308
I would think the .260 would be high on the list. But from what I've read, the .264 smokes all of them.
August 15, 2017, 12:05 AM
HCM
SOCOM is testing .260 Remington And 6.5 Creedmoor as COTS (commercial off the shelf) purchase sniper rifle rounds, not as battle rifle or M4/5.56 replacements.

In the long term, the Army / AMU is testing and developing the .264 USA and .277 USA as potential replacements for both 5.56 and 7.62x51. This is not a short term solution. They are at least 5-10 years out.

Both of these programs are parallel to the 7.62 interim rifle program, not instead of.
August 15, 2017, 06:12 AM
SgtGold
quote:
Originally posted by HCM:
In the long term, the Army / AMU is testing and developing the .264 USA and .277 USA as potential replacements.


Catchy names. Wink

It's interesting to see the whole 6.5mm-7mm development thing come full circle.


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September 21, 2017, 06:46 AM
RogueJSK
Cancelled.

~7 weeks from announcement to cancellation.

From http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...m-cancelled-icsr-no/

quote:
Army 7.62mm Rifle Program CANCELLED – ICSR is No More

The US Army’s program to field a new standard-issue 7.62mm caliber rifle is dead in the water, it seems. Multiple anonymous sources have informed TFB that the Interim Combat Service Rifle program has been cancelled as part of a massive review of US Army small arms programs. The program was officially announced on August 4th, and lasted just over a month before its cancellation.

Few specifics about the cancellation have been revealed, but TFB’s sources cited the lack of a pressing threat necessitating the change, poorly written requirements, little or no support from the ranks, and no backing holistic DOTMLPF assessment. If these reflections are accurate, then it indicate that ICSR may have been a poorly-constructed program driven by the preferences of the brass and not the needs of the actual soldier.

The cancellation of ICSR does not necessarily mean the end of the 7.62mm rifle effort, but any future programs of this type are likely to be organized in a more limited and conservative manner. It does seem likely that there will eventually be a new program for a 7.62mm or 6.5mm/.260 designated marksman rifle, which may offer the option for “assault” or “rifle” configurations in addition to a baseline squad marksman variant. However, for now, it seems that the effort to field a 7.62mm individual weapon en masse has ended, stillborn.

September 21, 2017, 07:04 AM
parabellum
Shocking
September 22, 2017, 06:51 AM
tacfoley
The original .280 British, as fielded in the outstanding bullpup EM2 in the late 1940's would have solved ALL these little arguments. The LMG/support weapon version was even better.

tac
September 22, 2017, 09:10 AM
Rob Decker
quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Cancelled.

~7 weeks from announcement to cancellation.

From http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...m-cancelled-icsr-no/

quote:
Army 7.62mm Rifle Program CANCELLED – ICSR is No More

The US Army’s program to field a new standard-issue 7.62mm caliber rifle is dead in the water, it seems. Multiple anonymous sources have informed TFB that the Interim Combat Service Rifle program has been cancelled as part of a massive review of US Army small arms programs. The program was officially announced on August 4th, and lasted just over a month before its cancellation.

Few specifics about the cancellation have been revealed, but TFB’s sources cited the lack of a pressing threat necessitating the change, poorly written requirements, little or no support from the ranks, and no backing holistic DOTMLPF assessment. If these reflections are accurate, then it indicate that ICSR may have been a poorly-constructed program driven by the preferences of the brass and not the needs of the actual soldier.

The cancellation of ICSR does not necessarily mean the end of the 7.62mm rifle effort, but any future programs of this type are likely to be organized in a more limited and conservative manner. It does seem likely that there will eventually be a new program for a 7.62mm or 6.5mm/.260 designated marksman rifle, which may offer the option for “assault” or “rifle” configurations in addition to a baseline squad marksman variant. However, for now, it seems that the effort to field a 7.62mm individual weapon en masse has ended, stillborn.


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September 22, 2017, 10:06 AM
fritz
quote:
Originally posted by tacfoley:
The original .280 British, as fielded in the outstanding bullpup EM2 in the late 1940's would have solved ALL these little arguments. The LMG/support weapon version was even better.

Although the .280 British may have solved some of the arguments, it's unlikely that it would have solved all of them.

Given the:
- variety of weapons systems and their functional goals,
- physical constraints of ammo using brass cases, nitrocellulose-based powders, and lead/copper alloy bullets,
- physical limitations of the troops who carry and operate the various weapon systems,
- politics of choosing weapons systems, both among various countries and within a given country,
I doubt any single chambering will considered optimal for all rifle systems.

Furthermore, even in the remote chance that a single rifle chambering becomes academically accepted as optimal, I doubt that it would be universally deployed.
September 23, 2017, 07:32 PM
ed308
This article has a slightly different take on why is was canceled. To me, the interim rifle never made much sense if they were planning to switch to a new caliber in the future.

http://www.popularmechanics.co...replacement-is-dead/