Ain't gonna happen. No way.

Dang, I wish I was on some armed forces committee and could initiate all these trials, just so I could play with a bunch of cool shit. That's what's going on.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Ain't gonna happen. No way.

Dang, I wish I was on some armed forces committee and could initiate all these trials, just so I could play with a bunch of cool shit. That's what's going on.

LOL.

You're probably right. Lucky bastards.

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Originally posted by Sig209:
Interesting to see where this goes.

I have said before - I will say it again - if they want more firepower in the Infantry platoons they should just add (1) medium machine gun to the MTOE. (making it 3 MG sections instead of 2 effectively increasing your heavier fire capability by +50%). Would add three men to each platoon.

Everybody lugging a 7.62mm makes no sense to me.

Plus I hear the new 5.56mm round is a big improvement.

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Yep, sounds like a plan. A belt fed 7.62mm to add some power to back up all those rifleman. Seems like some army did that before

Seriously, no real change will happen. Just a few specialized rifles for special units. I do like the idea of having 2 DMR heavier caliber rifles in a platoon and an M60 gunner again.

I trained with the German Army on scoped G3 rifles to act as recon teams for an infantry platoon. Good fun and the concept was sensible.

do they not use the M240 anymore?

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
do they not use the M240 anymore?

They do.
My son carries one.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Perhaps they see a need to penatrate personal armor with M80A1.

Looks like this is the case. Not that shocking, when fighting a real military you might want a round that will hit the soft bits.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-wa...-advanced-body-armor

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Um, wasn't having to haul around the weight of a 7.62 M14 and ammo the reasons the Army went to 5.56 in the first place?

Is Russia going back to 7.62x54R rifles?

Yep, but coming from someone who recently repalced their M1A with a SCAR17......the weight of these rilfes will likely be a determinig factor if/when one gets selected.

It will not happen; we're tied to the 5.56 until the next great leap in ballistics comes along, like phase plasma rifles, or smart boolits that steer themselves.

Not gonna happen, we may see more 7.62 like the SCAR but they will never bring it back wholescale.

POGs would keel over from the weight

Usually spend more time carrying so the light weight of m4 is a blessing. Can you imagine a 7.62 with lights and lasers etc...

I just took delivery of a 540 round can of 7.62X51. It weighs a lot.

5.56 is 37 rounds per pound. 7.62 is 19 rounds per pound. A soldier humping junk in the boonies can carry twice as much 5.56 as 7.62. When our guys are already overloaded with pack, food, comms, water, ammo, rifle, grenades, armor, etc. Every pound counts.

I do some materiel contracting work with SOCOM; they are crazy about weight. Every. Ounce. Counts.

I simply do not see this happening across the force, especially given the capabilities available in 6mm and 6.5mm rounds. Adopting the 7.62 for everyone would be a step backwards.

I say wait 10-20 more years and we can straight to laser guns. Not even joking!

If soldiers are having difficulty penetrating some body armor, they have a weak spot. I see little wrong with DMR soldiers having to carry a 7.62 rifle plus the specialized ammo.

What about the .300 blackout...or is that the 6 or 6.5 mm
I read the blackout is better than the .5.56 and can be used in the same magazines. Never tried the round ...just asking.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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Originally posted by Sig209:
Plus I hear the new 5.56mm round is a big improvement.

^^^^What he said. M855A1 performance was as good or better than M80 ball.

From a physics standpoint I'm finding this hard to believe.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
do they not use the M240 anymore?

Nope...they got a Bravo edition now that they are using...even in the freaking Coast Guard (sighs)

just buy back all those Garands and man up to 30-06...

seriously, maybe invest in more range time for the troops. carrying heavier ammo to miss just as much seems to be a solution to the wrong question

Stop wasting my tax dollars. Spend it on marksmanship training.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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Originally posted by Sig209:
Plus I hear the new 5.56mm round is a big improvement.

^^^^What he said. M855A1 performance is as good or better than M80 ball.

From a physics standpoint I'm finding this hard to believe.

SgtGold - Up until recently (now retired), I worked ammunition acquisition in the Army. I have seen the data. I no longer have access to it but the M855A1 is that good.

Here is an excellent article on the new US Mil 5.56mm ammunition.

Not comparing it to 7.62mm per se, but just an overall article about the improved ballistics.

https://www.americanrifleman.o...dard-ball-cartridge/

Nice to see they have made an improvement.

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