So I've wanted a functional wall hanger to go on my 'love me' wall (which consists of a pic of our Bradley and occupants during Desert Storm). Currently it has a Mosin Nagant that was given to me at retirement. I'm also considering one of those PSA H&R M16A2, but I thought a repro Springfield 1795 might be nice.

I did a little looking into it and seems like the repro industry in the U.S. is basically folks fitting parts from India together?? Is that right? The only consistently good stuff I hear about these are from Pedersoli, but those are pretty expensive.

Anyone know anything about flintlocks?

Yes the Indian gun/kits are made in India. lol

Like anything American made, it's going to cost.

Since we're spending your money and not mine..
https://kiblerslongrifles.com

But as much as they are, they're not that much more than what Pedersoli asks these days. The Italian guns used to be cheap, those days are long gone. "Consistency" isn't a word I would necessarily apply to them, or many other Italian gun companies honestly.

That's kind of a bummer.

My deer season doesn't start until Dec. 26th, opening day of flintlock.





As cas said...not cheap. Check out Track of the Wolf. They usually have a decent selection in stock.

check a few of the muzzleloading and period reenacting forums, facebook pages etc,

stuff comes up for sale now and again reasonably priced,

picked up a nice used, not abused, Pedersoli Bess of the gunboards page and a Track of the Wolf French trade fusil,

and another Bess, an original Sargeants fusil (think bess carbine of sorts) at a local auction years ago,


all very very reasonable,

just have to be patient and vigilant

I have an Indian brown Bess and a Jim chambers Pennsylvania rifle in 45 cal flintlock I made in 2005. What do you wanna know?

I have a Thompson/Center Firestorm .50 Cal flintlock rifle.

They are out of production now.
It is the best modern mass produced flintlock rifle ever made.
Removeable breech plug, modern steel, (it's mostly stainless steel) black composite stock and is made to run modern pelletized propellants. Up to three 50 grain pellets can be utilized.
It is constructed entirely from stainless steel, except for a few screws and the carbon steel frizzen.
The fiber optic fully adjustable sights are also carbon steel.

Easy to shoot (for a flintlock) and is the easiest flintlock rifle ever made for routine cleaning.
And with the removeable breech plug, you don't have to shoot it for unloading
I run a modern 200 grain Hornady XTP .44 JHP in a green plastic sabot, and two 50 grain pellets of Pyrodex.
Google has plenty of photos online.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What do you wanna know?

I guess just a source for a decent 1795 reproduction that I can shoot now and then. The more I look into black powder, the more I think I should stick with the M16A2 idea.

There’s a lot of poo-pooing the Indian guns, but I proofed it when I drilled the flash hole by tying it to a tire and double loading it. It’s worked every time and it is actually pretty accurate for a musket. I shoot it probably 4-5 times a year and it always draws a crowd at the range.

People are surprised you can hit a person consistently at 75 yards.

I’d say go for it, if you have a lead on a pedersoli grab it.

I did move the bayonet lug so that it would work with a real bayonet. It was too far forward, so my dad used a torch and we pulled it off then silver soldered it in the right place.

The Jim Kibler kits are outstanding. He is a muzzle loader maker whose custom guns cost in the thousands of dollars. He has produced the kits using CNC technology. I had the chance to tour his facility. It is amazing. Here is an antique weapon being produced with state-of-the art production equipment. I have built the Colonial (French & Indian War era) in .58 cal. I am not that skilled at metal or woodworking, but turned out a beautiful flintlock rifle. You have the ability to select the grade and type of wood for the stock, plus you can decide the type of finish for the wood and metal. If you look at his website, he has videos that show him building the kits. There is something satisfying about shooting a flintlock that you have built.

I have a couple, mostly as I'm fascinated by the simple, elegant and reliable (for the period) tech behind them.

Mine are Pedersoli replicas, Pennsylvania Long Rifle and Kentucky Pistol. Italian company, not sure where their factory is.

The original owner of Thompson Center bought everything back from Smith & Wesson and they have restarted manufacturing of in-lines in New Hampshire. They are reported to start making new traditional models like Hawken and Renegades in the not too distant future.

I have to wonder what if anything was left to buy back. Probably the name and some technical packages/drawings and not much else.

Took a few out to our last low light Qual…

Sorry for the low quality, they are screen shots from the videos everyone insisted on shooting instead of photos.

Navy Arms 1795 replica:



The Belgian Harpers Ferry repro I just got:





Lots of cleaning, but definitely fun. I always get crap for bringing out “old stuff” like the N frame Smith and Wesson, or a Ruger Blackhawk. Was nice to bring out some actual “Old Stuff”!

Bill R

I THINK I'm gonna get a Loyalist Arms 1795. I emailed them and they referred me to a guy in Berryville who assembles the kits they get. We'll see after the holidays.

Very cool pics BTW!

It is probably the MOST fun I’ve had with firearms since all the (statute of limitations) stuff we did as kids with cannon fuse, black powder and empty 12 gauge shells..

Yeah. You got the primer out to allow for the fuse by setting the 12 gauge shells on the muzzle of your .22 and cranking off a round. (Allegedly)

All the work that has to go into making one of these actually fire more or less reliably is impressive. Admittedly better than a matchlock, but still I would not be super confident carrying one as my primary arm. Makes it easy to see why it took so long for long arms to shorten up when you had to consider they were basically “Noisy Pikes” for the most part, and you were more concerned about the bayonet and method of attachment than that single .76 caliber chunk o lead you got to send down range. Once.


Bill R

Nope nope nope. Need to stop looking at these.

I do NOT need another hobby.

Hey Bill...Very cool pics!

I don't get a deer every year. I won't take the shot unless it's 40 yards or less (smoothbore). Don't always get that in the eastern woodlands. But I sure do enjoy "function testing" the flintlock 10 or 20 times before I go out.