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| Freethinker |
I would like to upgrade the barrel of a Ruger 77/22 rifle. I’m looking for a high quality product with price not being a concern (okay, I won’t take out a mortgage on my house to buy one, but probably do not want “good quality for the price” either). A quick search turned up Lilja barrels whose claims are impressive. Something in that price range would be acceptable. Recommendations? ► 6.4/93.6 | ||
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fugitive from reality |
I know several people with Lijia barrels. You will not be disappointed. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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| Member |
No rimfire experience but my son-in-law really liked their .223 AR-15 barrels. | |||
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| Freethinker |
Thanks for the responses. I have an Lilja barrel on order. (And to console those whose only response would have been, “Look on the XYZ forum for an answer,” I tried that before posting here. There seems to be little consensus about which high quality barrels might be best.) ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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Pursuing the wicked |
My "upgrade" to my 77/22 was installing a factory 10/22 barrel to afford the addition of iron sights. It is freakin' ACCURATE. What prompted your upgrade? | |||
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I did a barrel swap on a 77/22 Mag. The reason being I wanted to go to the 17 HMR, a Shilen barrel made it easy. The barrel you ordered should be just fine. | |||
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| Freethinker |
Just a belief that it was possible the inconsistent results I got with the factory barrel were not all my fault. Having better equipment makes it harder to rationalize poor performance and provides more confidence that improving my skills will improve the results. ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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| fugitive from reality |
I'm thinking about a 77/22 build and that's good to know. I want to go with a 16"-18" barrel and those are hard to find when searching using 77/22 as a starting point. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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| Freethinker |
That was one of my concerns as well. The standard Lilja 77/22 barrel is 21 inches which I really didn’t want for 22 Long Rifle. Then I noticed their statement about shorter barrels’ sometimes being available. When I called, the woman said they had one uncrowned “varmint” weight that could be cut to 18" at no extra charge. I waffled about going with 16", but decided slightly longer would be okay. ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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| fugitive from reality |
In doing some research I found that subsconic 22lr reaches maximum velocity at around 18". Anything more and you're actually slowing down the projectile. My CZ with it's 22" barrel is plenty accurate, but I'm not getting anything other than sight radius with the extra barrel length. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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| Freethinker |
That was my thought. I have an old Winchester model 52 that has a heavy 27 inch barrel. For positional shooting, and especially with iron sights, that length and weight was a benefit; for the type of shooting I will be doing with this 77/22, not so much. ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Looking forward to your results, SF. I don't know how good my 77/22 is, or I with it, because I've yet to have tried good ammo in it. Speaking of which: What does your 77/22 like best? "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Member |
Muzzle velocity also depends on both the barrel (brand) and the barrel length. My 18" JP barrel produces MVs with true match-quality 22lr ammo -- Eley, Lapua, RWS -- that are close to what most consider normal for longer barrels. i.e. MVs of 1040 thru 1090 fps. My 22" Kimber barrel (K-22 Classic) produces MVs that are consistently 50-60 fps faster than the JP. The Kimber's MVs bump up against Mach 1 regularly in cold winter temps, even at my altitude. My MVs are in the 1120 to 1140 fps ballpark for subsonic ammo. When I finally get around to having jelrod assemble my Remy 40X trainer, it will use the 21-ish inch barrel he recommends. | |||
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| Freethinker |
Not that it matters to me now that I’ve ordered (  ), but why 21"? Just because that seems to result in best velocity?► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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| fugitive from reality |
You altitude could also be a factor, as well as the cold weather. If I were to become obsessed with long range 22lr events like mini Palma I'd try to determine what combination of ammo and barrel gave me the best of both worlds. If I had the time and money I'd do more testing, but I probably wouldn't find much except different barrels shoot different ammo at different velocities. In the end for me 18" makes sense because I know I'll maximize my velocity without leaving much on the table. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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| Member |
It's been awhile since we discussed it in detail, but I think it comes down to few things: - that barrel length evidently has proven to be very accurate in many of jelrod's 40X repeater conversions - the length offers good muzzle velocity - the barrel length balances the 22lr trainer with the weight of the stock that most people will put on the gun, and it keeps the rifle roughly the same feel as our center-fire competition guns | |||
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I don't think altitude and weather have anything to do with MV. However, they do affect down range flight. But those effects depend on the target distances. Understand that in lower altitudes with thicker air, MV is more important for long distance flight. My common Density Altitude is around 8,000 feet in spring and fall, which is when I tend to shoot my 22lr. This is with ASL of about 6200'. I zero at 50 yards, but shoot to longer distances. A 50 fps difference in MV changes drop as distances to target increase. For example, such drop changes are: .3" difference at 100 yards 1.1" at 125 yards 1.8" at 150 yards 2.5" at 175 yards 3.5" at 200 yards These flight & drop differences may not seem like much, but we generally shoot at diamond-shaped targets. Thus if one's wind call is a little off, a target's effective height can easily be reduced by one-half. Or more. If a poor wind call pushes the bullet near its 3 or 9 o'clock points, there's virtually no room for vertical variation. But for the most part, a good 18" barrel gets MV for quality subsonic target ammo pretty close to it maximum potential MV, with minimal chance of going supersonic. | |||
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| fugitive from reality |
I think I expressed myself incorrectly. What I should have said is shooting at altitude means you retain more MV downrange. Two short articles on the subject express it differently, but make the same point. https://www.petersenshunting.c...cted-out-west/272838 https://www.accurateshooter.co...de-and-air-pressure/ _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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| Freethinker |
One thing that living at altitude can affect muzzle velocity (not downrange) is average air temperature, which in turn affects the temperature of the ammunition itself. Although I do try to stick to a regimen and shoot other guns year-round, I must admit that I probably won’t be punching out 100-round sessions with the 22 in February. On the other hand, average temps are lower here no matter when as compared with most of the country, and that can affect the internal ballistics that govern MV. Not much, perhaps, but something to at least give a nod of recognition to. ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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Since you already ordered, this won't make a difference, but if you want one more piece of positive feedback, I bought a Lilja barrel for my Sako Quad (at the time, at least, they were the only ones offering drop-in barrels for it). It has been extremely accurate and consistent. | |||
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