I think I'll buy one if it all looks clear. I have a featureless (Thordsen gen 1 and muzzle brake) and participated in freedom week, but I'm interested to see what happens here. Jist missing a stock, so maybe the best choice for us in CA. Pistol grip would be nice to have again, and a vfg and flash hider would be a nice bonus.
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October 16, 2019, 09:31 AM
Dwill104
So, if you just take the stock off of an AR and replace the buffer tube with a tube that won’t take a stock, it’s OK? I get it’s not a rifle since it doesn’t have a stock, and not a shotgun. How is it not a pistol, or not an AOW with the VFG installed?
October 16, 2019, 09:33 AM
smschulz
So what do they mean not a rifle or pistol? It's for CA so it can't be good, right? Not sure of the meaning of all of this?
October 16, 2019, 11:22 AM
SigSauerP226
quote:
Originally posted by Dwill104: So, if you just take the stock off of an AR and replace the buffer tube with a tube that won’t take a stock, it’s OK? I get it’s not a rifle since it doesn’t have a stock, and not a shotgun. How is it not a pistol, or not an AOW with the VFG installed?
That's my question, but I don't believe so. With all the crazy in CA it's hard to follow all this crap, but Franklin Armory does find ways to put out stuff that is legal, and for us in CA it's nice. They made a short barrel...gun...without rifling so it's considered a shotgun. Kind of interesting, called the Reformation. From what I've read, it's best for those that can't have SBR or legit AR pistol.
This setup gets us the closest to a regular AR, even though a featureless is still nice in my opinion. Thinking about building an AR with fixed stock and Sparrow grip which is similar to pistol grip, just cocked way back. This might be the better route. I like having standard mag release and being able to use standard capacity mags...for now.
As far as legality, FA said this on CA forum, "This issue has been brought to CADOJ personnel, and they are responsive. Ultimately all of these configurations are legal, and they cannot be regulated out of existence by a website. However, the legislature will be back to work before long."
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October 16, 2019, 11:38 AM
RogueJSK
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Originally posted by Dwill104: How is it not a pistol, or not an AOW with the VFG installed?
Since it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle, shotgun, or pistol, it's just a "firearm".
This "26+ inch firearm" configuration has been used by a few different AR manufacturers over the years. Not really anything new.
October 16, 2019, 06:28 PM
SigSauerP226
Apparently you cannot take the stock of a rifle and do this because it would have been DROS'd as a rifle and this will be DROS'd as an other/firearm or something along those lines.
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October 18, 2019, 12:27 PM
Nick
So using this designation, any manufacturer could do the same thing with any of their existing AR pattered firearms and sell them legally in California, yes?
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October 19, 2019, 03:08 PM
JoshNC
Not sure about rejoicing over that. I’m glad Franklin is actively finding workarounds to CA’s ridiculously unconstitutional laws. But it has no stock and would be challenging to use effectively in my opinion. I think I would prefer a featureless rifle based on the Fightlight SCR lower if I lived in CA. Which I don’t. But I did for a year once. And you couldn’t pay me enough to go back. CA gun laws are so frustrating and totally unconstitutional.
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October 19, 2019, 06:03 PM
SigSauerP226
There is something they are doing that is apparently allowing them put this out, though it still sounds like they are working with the CADOJ to get the details and legality of it worked out. They mentioned it is some sort of proprietary thing and they wouldn't say because they don't want other manufacturers to be able to do it as well... I've been watching this and messing around building featureless AR's, and I will probably just build another featureless. The laws are retarded here and it's cool for Franklin to keep doing what they are doing, but I haven't quite been sold on anything I need to have. You can get this with a pistol grip and foregrip, or featureless without those two grips and get a stock. Angled foregrip and Sparrow dynamics grip with a stock is more appealing to me.This message has been edited. Last edited by: SigSauerP226,
...Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, was just a freight train coming your way...
Since it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle, shotgun, or pistol, it's just a "firearm".
This "26+ inch firearm" configuration has been used by a few different AR manufacturers over the years. Not really anything new.
Correct.
I sell a lot of "CT Others" into Connecticut. They are full feature guns, but not considered rifles so they don't fall into the assault weapons ban, and they are not handguns, because they are meant to be fired with two hands. They are ARs with a PSB, and a Magpul VFG. They are over 26" and under a certain length that I cannot remember. They get marked on the 4473 as "other". Just like a Shockwave. POF and Stag are the two best sellers.