When I think about it, it seems kinda silly ... How many different gun, that shoot the same caliber does one need ... ?

223/5.56 must be my favorite caliber because just counting that caliber, I've got 8 or so different configuration of AR's from 7"SBR to 24"LMG, 2 AK's, 2HK's, a CZ Bren 805, 4 Swiss SiG 55X's 3 SiG556's, 2 AUG's, Bushmaster Arm-Pistol, and ACR ... and then to round things out, a couple Remington Bolt guns and at least half a dozen stripped receivers I bought just because I liked the roll-mark or that were made in Kansas ...

Now it seems like I need a Marcolmar CETME-L or at least its calling my name ... incessantly!



I'm resisting, but I think its an just an exercise in futility.

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Once you get done buying that CETME-L, you need to take a couple of those stripped AR lowers and slap one of Brownells' new AR-180-style uppers on one, and one of Wolf's T91-style uppers on the other.

And then start saving up for a SCAR 16S.

Answer the call!

OOh, I like the CETME...

Thing looks like an AR had a love child with a Sturmgewehr.

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223/5.56 must be my favorite caliber because just counting that caliber, I've got 8 or so different configuration of AR's from 7"SBR to 24"LMG, 2 AK's, 2HK's, a CZ Bren 805, 4 Swiss SiG 55X's 3 SiG556's, 2 AUG's, Bushmaster Arm-Pistol, and ACR ... and then to round things out, a couple Remington Bolt guns and at least half a dozen stripped receivers I bought just because I liked the roll-mark or that were made in Kansas ...

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What, no Valmet? I see another .223 in your future.

At which point the Zastava M90 should be pretty much irresistible. FWIW, check out Wilhelm's write-up on the L over on the Files if you haven't seen it yet.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Once you get done buying that CETME-L, you need to take a couple of those stripped AR lowers and slap one of Brownells' new AR-180-style uppers on one, and one of Wolf's T91-style uppers on the other.

And then start saving up for a SCAR 16S.

I hadn't heard about the 180's but I'd heard about Brownell's "retro" AR-10's and 15's ... was thinking someone here was disappointed in one that he had gotten ... I had one on ordered and canceled it ...

The T-91 piqued my interest when they first came out, thought a blank NoDak Spud receiver would be the perfect lower for it, and see if I could "decorate" it with Chinese type logo/info to make it like a one-off clone ... but hadn't thought about it in a while ... maybe because I haven't heard anything about them in a while.

Not to offend anyone, but I had a SCAR-16 and Bushmaster ACR, for the price difference I wasn't impressed by the SCAR, but a buddy, it was all he could talk about so I let him take it off my hands, I've still got the ACR.
I wouldn't mind shooting a suppressed SCAR 17 though, not sure ... bones are getting stronger but without a suppressor or very efficient break not sure I'd want to risk breaking a shoulder/ collar bone with my osteoporosis.

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
What, no Valmet? I see another .223 in your future.

I knew I'd forget something ... I've got a Valmet tube-folder!

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
At which point the Zastava M90 should be pretty much irresistible. FWIW, check out Wilhelm's write-up on the L over on the Files if you haven't seen it yet.

I've got a Zastava PAP M85 in 223 I SBR'd ... its one of the two 223 AK's I'd mentioned ... the other is a Norinco

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Once you get done buying that CETME-L, you need to take a couple of those stripped AR lowers and slap one of Brownells' new AR-180-style uppers on one, and one of Wolf's T91-style uppers on the other.

And then start saving up for a SCAR 16S.

I have three Marcolmar CETME variants AND the Nodak AR180 style lowers with a BRN180 upper. Get out of my head!

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I find the bastardization of any HK design blasphemy. But if you want a roller locking delayed blow back design (outside of the HK93) in 556, then this would not be your worst choice.

I approve.

And dude, can you make your subject line more descriptive? Para was very generous and gave you two warnings, and I don't want this thread locked.

H&K-Guy

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Originally posted by H&K-Guy:
I find the bastardization of any HK design blasphemy.

Mssrs Heckler and Koch worked for the design bureau where the basic concept was designed. The CETME Modelo C begat several offspring and the CETME L and HK33/93 are evolutionary cousins.

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Originally posted by H&K-Guy:
I find the bastardization of any HK design blasphemy.

Mssrs Heckler and Koch worked for the design bureau where the basic concept was designed. The CETME Modelo C begat several offspring and the CETME L and HK33/93 are evolutionary cousins.

Yes. I'll give you that.

But the design is distinctly, and more successfully implemented as the G3. This HK design goodness was first made by the hands of skilled workman in Oberndorf, on the Neckar river.

I'm an HK snob, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to try "slumming it" with other products. But only late at night and when I'm sure nobody is watching.

As an HK purist, I realize this CETME has its attractions. And while I will never own one, I recognize its value in the secondary market.

H&K-Guy

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kimberkid change the subject line to read "another .223/5.56 varient is calling me!"

Forum rules state you can't be ambiguous in the subject line.

Merry Christmas.

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This HK design goodness was first made by the hands of skilled workman in Oberndorf, on the Neckar river.

From what feedback there is out there, the problem apparently wasn't in the construction of the first model so much as crap Santa Barbara mags and mediocre construction of the rifles during regular production. If nothing else, that suggests to me that the MarcolMar might actually be a better-made rifle than the original.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
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kimberkid change the subject line to read "another .223/5.56 varient is calling me!"

Forum rules state you can't be ambiguous in the subject line.

Merry Christmas.

Sometimes I'm a bit slow, but, the second time it sunk in.

Apologies to all.

Close enough

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Originally posted by H&K-Guy:
This HK design goodness was first made by the hands of skilled workman in Oberndorf, on the Neckar river.

Actually, it was Spanish in design. The CETME 58 (Modelo C) was the basis for the rifle. HK improved it but "first made by" is a stretch. The German government owns the TDP for the G3, not H&K. It has been made by Rheinmetal in Germany, HKO of course, FMP in Portugal (under license), EBO in Greece (under license) and of course any Turkish derivations.

The G3 is a German rifle, not an H&K rifle though H&K surely carries the lion's share of the credit.

The HK93 and 91K are shortened 7,62 designs. The CETME L is a purpose built 5.56 so in many ways, it's more innovative than the H&K cousin.