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The KelTec has been out there a long time but they have durability issues. Ruger's takedown offering seems solid and it can be configure to take Glock magazines- that's a big plus. And now S&W with their FPC, which seems like the best of the bunch for the average man.
There are others, of course, including the AR-type PCCs.
It seems like, though, that this would be a natural niche for Glock. Lighweight, reliable, and with native acceptance of Glock magazines. A G19-length grip would make the most sense. Or, given the 10 round magazine restrictions in various states, perhaps a G26-length grip would make more sense.
Commonality of some parts- slide internals, and the trigger, meaning perhaps that aftermarket triggers or the Glock Performance Trigger could be used.
They've just about got the pistol variations covered, although I'd dearly love to see a G19 with a G26 grip.
What do you think? Is the Glock Carbine to forever remain a running joke?
Seems like offering a PCC would be a great seller for Glock
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My guess is that it has been developed more than once, and shot down by their bean counters every time.
Mostly because I suspect they make higher margins on magazines, and since everyone else is making their guns compatible why dig a hole yourself when others are doing it for you.
They proposed a piston AR15 for a UK arms solicitation, so I just don’t know anymore. I thought a sub gun for the recent compact VIP protection would come long before a carbine.
The only thing that changes that is a (probably European) contract solicitation that makes sense to them to bid on. The trouble is that B&T owns a big chunk of the euro subgun market and makes excellent guns (the APC) that take Glock magazines in some configurations.
And then there is the question of whether it would make it to the US civilian market if they did. The brace rule and current sag in the industry are not positives for something like that. Importation in rifle form is also wrought with challenges. Obviously they can also produce stateside, but that doesn't really seem likely as it would mean tooling up in two places.
Maybe I'm off on this, but Glock's model does not seem to support it. Also keep in mind the random Glock branded AR that popped up last year and is generally believed to be real. There has not been a whisper of that gun on the civilian side.
It definitely seems like a steadily growing market segment. A 10mm folding carbine like the KelTec Sub2000, but with Glock quality and reliability would be pretty interesting in my opinion.
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Still waiting for one...
Doubtful. If they were going to do so, I think they’d have done it already.
I’d love to see them offer a 5.56 carbine.
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I think they know thier niche, as in where thier bread is buttered and don't want to stray,
Glock would probably make a pretty sweet carbine if they make the decision.
I would be interested to see what they would come up with, especially if they used G17 and G21 magazines.
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I think they should, especially since there's a number of PCC's on the market that use their mags. A nice, compact Glock PCC that takes 33rd sticks would be sweet, especially if it folds up into something even more compact. I just hope that if they've got anything in the works, that they actually bring it to market. In more recent years, they've shown a willingness to give the customer more what they ask for and not just what Gaston wants to make, so I'm hopeful.
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Perhaps someone could explain the draw of a pistol-calibre carbine.
Pistol calibres are WEAK. They are meant to be carried in substandard fighting equipment (pistols) whose main attribute is concealability. You lose that with a carbine, and you don't get any particular advantage in ammor shot. There already IS a carbine that does reasonably well in that slot - an M4. 5.56 is hardly a serious longer range round, and we've seen what even an untrained young man (Kyle Rittenhouse) cam do with one. ?What would be the advantage of a weaker carbine. (Other than burn ammo st prodigious rates/)
They should but probably won't. At least as long as Gaston is still calling the shots (so to speak). He strikes me as having a way too conservative mindset when it comes to his baby. Unless he can find agency or military takers with their requisite back-of-the-house support contracts for such a gun, he won't do it.
However I'd sign up for the 10mm if he did. Hell, I'd even move OUT of the blasted state to make it happen.
That said, if done right I think they would sell lots of them. However, I see Glock as a one trick pony and has had a complete lack of any real innovation since they came out with their original pistol. Ergos are still the same, grossly lacking IHMO and CZ just knocks it out of the park in this area. They simply seem to have no drive to do better or to come out with new products that aren't based on the old stuff. Can you imagine a Glock with a CZ ergo styled frame? That's a winner to me.
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No, that's not going to happen in this thread.
I’d love to see Glock (or any other top tier manufacturer for that matter) make a functional, reliable bullpup PCC to make use of a 16” barrel and avoid the whole sbr thing.
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I wish they would. I imagine it would/could be a simple design like their pistols. I am sure they would still sell a bunch of them, especially to LEO agencies that use PCC for their officers and of course the ones carrying Glocks. The versatility would be perfection.
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You should just do that anyways.
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People say that, but how often do you really need to "innovate" when the entire industry has copied your shit? Have you ever taken apart five Glocks, Gen 1 through 5 in one sitting and compared them? I have one of each, and myriad tiny things have changed over the decades, each an improvement over the prior. The design has evolved a lot, but the people who still cry over that grip angle can't see the rest through their hot, salty tears. I'm not saying you're one of them, but personally, I have no need for a Glock in a CZ frame, CZ already makes that and after shooting one, I didn't feel the need to drop the Glocks I own and buy a CZ. A TSO is still on my hitlist, so it's not like I'm a rabid fanboi, just to qualify things a bit.
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Don't think they will. With the Ruger PC Carbine taking Glock mags and working just fine for $500 my guess is they know they don't have too.
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I'm going with this answer.
They've been around for 40+ years, and have had ample opportunity to come out with one. I use the analogy that Glock "built the better mousetrap" many times, and could be done with a carbine too. Maybe Glock just wants to keep that one mousetrap, and nothing more.
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I don't agree with this stance, but my name isn't Gaston. Yeah, it would be super easy form the engineering standpoint. Same firing pin housing, same trigger mechanism, how hard is it to process the same barrel, just longer? Polymer frame, same magazines...
From there, breaking out from pistol calibers into larger calibers probably isn't that hard. But again, my name isn't Gaston.
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