Given the rise of drones in the military environment, any thoughts as to a effective counter system? Stingers are prohibitively expensive, One site quoted 150K per missile.
Another showed Raytheon being the sole source for Stingers at 400K. Duck Hunter with a Benelli
Super Eagle and 3 1/2 Goose loads?

I am completely guessing here. Also, this is bordering on conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat stuff ... but not completely impossible.

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Duck Hunter with a Benelli Super Eagle and 3 1/2 Goose loads?

Since you already have experience shooting at small moving targets above your head, I would guess this would take a drone down. They can't be very heavily armored. I'd like a .30-caliber-and-up rifle if you know you can hit them with it, because you can't afford to miss. If neighboring homes are not at least,, say, a mile away, a miss with a rifle bullet could hit one, and even shotgun pellets can travel quite a ways.

20mm chainguns are pretty effective.




Seriously, though... Militaries know that it isn't always necessary to destroy the drone, merely interrupt its signal from its controller.

As a result, there have been a large number of options for stationary, vehicle-borne, handheld, or backpack-worn electronic jamming countermeasures come out over the past decade, and they're in widespread use in combat zones already.

But there has also been a proliferation of other low tech options as well, namely the one that you've already hit on: issuing shotguns to squads for anti-drone use.

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Originally posted by egregore:
Further guessing: a drone that flies within a distance reachable by shotgun pellets would probably be armed only with a camera, not guns or bombs, and would be no danger.

Not the case at all. We're no longer just talking about larger Predator-style drones flying at high altitudes and raining down precision munition airstrikes being the deadly drone threat.

Instead, we're now dealing with swarms of small and cheap low altitude quadcopter-style drones, armed with a few releasable bomblets or grenades each (or even packed with explosives for one-way "suicide" use), and sent out along treetop level to attack individual soldiers, bunkers, or vehicles. This has become a huge threat in the Ukraine war for the past few years, so it's bound to be a thing in every war to come now.

So low altitude certainly does not equal unarmed with drones these days.

I'll bet Elly May or the other Clampetts could take a drone out. Or just throw one of her biscuits at it.

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Instead, we're now dealing with swarms of small and cheap low altitude quadcopter-style drones, armed with a few releasable bomblets or grenades each (or even packed with explosives for one-way "suicide" use) ...

Oh, yes, I remember reading that now. If only I knew where ...

What's to keep such a drone from being designed to "fail deadly?" That is, defaulting to blowing up anyway if control is lost or it hits the ground?

All this is extremely unlikely, of course. But just in case, I have a shotgun myself ...

If you get bored google NATO UAS Claifications. They break it down by Size, weight, echelon employed altittude, etc. THat can help you understand drones as a threat in the military context.

Towards the OP's question, based on what we are seeing in Ukraine, shotguns can be used against small, low altitude drones. They can be useful for the fiber optically guided drones, which were specifically designed to be "jam proof.

The Russians have even gone as far as making shell type rounds for their AKs. While the effectiveness is debatable, their existence was documented in Forbes magazine.

IMHO the most important part is early detection and tracking of the drones. THat will give you the best chance to hit them.

To the question about self-destruction explosive drone, I'd point you back to grenade class. The further away, the less effective the explosion. If you can hit the drone with your shot gun and force it to self destruct at distance, it's less likely to kill you. I'd also point out that if you can damage enough of it's rotor disks, it will no longer be able to stay aloft, meaning you don't necessarily have to penetrate the body of the drone IOT "kill" it.

I am saving up for this piece of German goodness.




The Russians and Ukrainians have already started using fiber optic drones to counter jammers.




Cannot find the video but I saw one filmed from the drones perspective where it landed on top of the tank. It then waited until the tank crewed popped the hatch and climbed out. Then it set off it's frag grenade.

Civilian drones were also used in the October 7th attacks on Israel.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by egregore:
Further guessing: a drone that flies within a distance reachable by shotgun pellets would probably be armed only with a camera, not guns or bombs, and would be no danger.

Not the case at all. We're no longer just talking about larger Predator-style drones flying at high altitudes and raining down precision munition airstrikes being the deadly drone threat.

Instead, we're now dealing with swarms of small and cheap low altitude quadcopter-style drones, armed with a few releasable bomblets or grenades each (or even packed with explosives for one-way "suicide" use), and sent out along treetop level to attack individual soldiers, bunkers, or vehicles. This has become a huge threat in the Ukraine war for the past few years, so it's bound to be a thing in every war to come now.

So low altitude certainly does not equal unarmed with drones these days.

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Originally posted by Citadel:
Given the rise of drones in the military environment, any thoughts as to a effective counter system? Stingers are prohibitively expensive, One site quoted 150K per missile.
Another showed Raytheon being the sole source for Stingers at 400K. Duck Hunter with a Benelli
Super Eagle and 3 1/2 Goose loads?

While it’s pricey unless you’ve got a DOD budget, #9 Federal TSS should immobilize most off the shelf drones at 100 yards.

The way I understand it the Ukrainians are following the fiber optic line and blowing up the source.
They are attaching broom sticks and knocking them down too.
Jamming is effective but it seems people are like the Borg, always adapting.

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
I am saving up for this piece of German goodness.




The Russians and Ukrainians have already started using fiber optic drones to counter jammers.




Cannot find the video but I saw one filmed from the drones perspective where it landed on top of the tank. It then waited until the tank crewed popped the hatch and climbed out. Then it set off it's frag grenade.

That German 35MM gun system uses AHEAD rounds. Depending on variant contains any where from 152 o 675 sub projectiles. Equipped with an air burst fuse.