In most cases, no. In Florida, some of the state prisons used to have them as tower guns. Texas DPS has them on boats used on the border lakes due to the cartel threat.

My agency doesn't have any and has no plans to acquire any.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
IMI Neev family of belt-fed machine guns.

Do you mean the Negev?

Not criticizing anyone here, but how it is an MRAP is OK for some departments, but not a belt fed? Better to have an extra tool than not have enough.

I guess if you put 10 men and all those weapons and armor on a boat, you need 900 HP to run down the river. Don't know if you've ever been to the Rio Grande, but its pretty damn shallow to be running that sized rig.

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Originally posted by Abn556:
I guess if you put 10 men and all those weapons and armor on a boat, you need 900 HP to run down the river. Don't know if you've ever been to the Rio Grande, but its pretty damn shallow to be running that sized rig.

The Davis-class patrol boat used by Texas DPS is listed as having a 1 foot draft. The Rio's shallow, but it's deeper than that.

They're also used heavily on the border lakes, like Falcon Lake and Lake Amistad.

That would be a cool gig, working on those boats.

More for people who want to shoot belt fed and are licensed to own post 86 dealer samples. I don't think you are going to find an instance when civilian police used belt fed on civilians.

In 1934 the chief of police of seattle quit when the mayor requested he put up machine guns to quell a strike.

"According to Jack Mahoney, “Machine Gun Smith” ordered the new police chief to mount machine guns at Pier 91. Mahoney says that “the police chief…told the mayor…they were able to take care of things as they were, and…didn’t need any machine guns or emplacements,” but Smith insisted, and so the chief handed over his badge and said “You get someone else to do your scabherdin"

Scabherdin...urban dictionary doesn't know that one...

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Originally posted by guardianangel762:

Scabherdin...urban dictionary doesn't know that one...

Scab-herding. Scab is an older slang term for replacement workers recruited to do a job when the normal workers are on strike. Scab-herding is the act of organizing scabs to cross the picket line and break the strike (sometimes involving the use of physical force).

When we bought new M4's a year or so back, I argued that they should be semi auto. Training someone to fire full auto accurately and effectively is difficult and requires time and money. Most agencies for the normal street guys it's tough.

I've seen some scarey full auto here. That's why it's tightly controlled. But my agency wasn't about to engage Mexican cartel members.

I couldn't get some of my guys to carry a empty coffee cup to the garbage can. trying to get them to carry a ammo can? impossible.

Civilian law enforcement is never intended to be a military force. Belt fed machine guns are totally inappropriate under any circumstance IMO, they are weapons of war. Posse Commitatus act was created to allow the Sheriff and his Posse to protect the people if you will, NOT the Federal overlords as were the norm in the 1700's and the entire second amendment is and should be opposed to this kind of encroachment on civilians ability to defend itself against tyranny and government over reach. I fear we are way beyond that now and should resist any further restrictions with the obvious. At this point it seems hopeless. Do you really believe we the people can be effective with semi auto's against belt feds and full auto's??

The posse comitatus act was first explained to me when I started my military intelligence schooling in 1966, and its intent wasn’t to restrict the power of the Army to enforce civilian law, it was to restrict the power of sheriffs to use the Army to enforce civilian law by conscripting soldiers into posses. And neither, BTW, did the act give sheriffs power to call up posses; that had been an element of the common law long before the PCA.

The Army didn’t go out and arrest people or otherwise enforce the law before the act, but soldiers’ being called upon to serve on posses and thereby interfering with military operations was common, and that was why the law was enacted. It was only much later that the emphasis shifted to preventing the real “militarization” of the police by allowing Army or Air Force involvement in law enforcement operations. And keep in mind that the act does not apply to the Navy, Marines, or Coast Guard.

With the oppositions shift back to terrorism I can see a real need for militarization of law enforcement. Very large generalization but, a large part of the use of force is about appropriateness of response not about its strength.

With that said I don't consider beltfed weapons to be the tool of a beat cop, you're looking at a special tool for a special job requiring specific training in its use and application.

The one place I've seen belt fed machine guns in what would be considered a LE situation several times: On Coast Guard Patrol boats in NY Harbor / Hudson River.

Secret Service CAT units normally have one belt fed weapon with them. Typically the trunk monkey has it.
State DSS guys have them overseas in the hot zones.
HRT trains with them, but I have never seen carry them anywhere outside of quantico.

Aside from that, I cant say I have seen any other FED LE with any belt fed weapons in my 19 years as a Fed... some others may have them, but doubtful they are ever authorized to deploy them.

For a long while after 9/11 the ferries here had armed boat escort. I think they were coast guard, but it wouldn't be out of line for the locals to be similarly armed as long as they were trained on it.

Outside of a few instances, why?

Because it's another attempt to separate law enforcement from civilians. LE referring to people as "civilians" when they are civilians too. Now if it were opened up to everyone having one, then fine. We don't need any more separate rules.

When it goes bad however rare an occurrence to this extreme. It is an absolute game charging push back that can get you back home to yours. As for Nuc plants most fervor of 911 forgotten. Now it's remove files mp5!s handguns leave 3 us gov owned plants in January. Along with all active ems and the fire truck services. Have to save money rely on volunteer fire dept

Presidential Limo- Presidential Gatling Gun Suburban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkmBH-MjZF4


Presidential Motorcade Packs Serious Firepower

https://www.wired.com/2009/01/motorcade-suvs/

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Originally posted by Sparkyk:
Presidential Limo- Presidential Gatling Gun Suburban

Show of hands: How many here believe that gunner is going to be excessively concerned about what’s beyond the target? Hmm …?

Frank Hamer could have left all his backup home if he had a Browning M1917 watercooled MG stashed in the brush covering Ivy Methvin's Model A.

But that was then.

When it comes to the USSS PPD and CAT guys, they don't play around. 2 very good friends of mine are with them. One was CAT, the other was a Counter-Sniper assigned to CAT.

But with a belt fed or mini-gun used in that capacity, or in guarding a Nuclear plant, that's in a security role, not so much in a Law Enforcement capacity. Outside of Border patrol, or certain 3 letter agencies running around overseas, there's not much of a chance of running into those types of weapons.

Unfortunate, because there's a few places that they could be used effectively. The greater South and West side of Chicago would probably make a decent dent in crime.