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I've had the RFB and the RDB-S for a bit now, always meant to pick up a KSG. I have a couple Mossbergs, those aren't going anywhere. Legislation that seems very likely here in MA, "accelerated the timetable." Not just because of guns being banned, but parts would be regulated. All that aside, lets focus on the weapon.



These shotguns aren't new anymore, they're out there. There are accessories and customizations, but not extensive. Off the bat, the appeal of the KSG for my purposes, is 24+1 mini shells. After that, I apply what any useful firearm should have, a sling, sights, and a white light. Fixed irons meant for an AR work great here. It points naturally, and I can also simply aim with the flashlight. The flashlight is nearly flush with the muzzle, it's the angle of the photo that makes it seem otherwise. The light is easily thumbed.

The pump can either be shucked with the vertical grip, or by a comfortable grip between it and the handstop. Under stress, I want to eliminate the likelihood of slipping off the front of the weapon.

I have a handful of 12ga snap caps that are mini-sized, but not 24, and it so far is great. More practice is needed. Trips to the range as well.

Everything was very easy to install, except the AL trigger. I did order an "action job" spring kit for it, but it made it uncomfortably light. The trigger, and some Moly-Slide on the sear engagement surfaces, mean it's positive and no mush, without introducing low power springs.

Certainly more expensive than a 590, but not unknown or untested in 2023. The only battery I want is in the light, I can't say optics have utility across my livingroom. The size and capacity of these shotguns is very appealing, while reloading is beyond cumbersome.

Anyone else have one? The bits and bobs I've added are no necessity to owning one, but feel good to me.

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I had one some years back when they were semi new.
I really wanted to like it for all the reasons you mention above.
However after several trips to the range with it.. it just wasn't reliable enough for any sort of serious weapon.
Multiple failures to feed...
Sometimes needing to use an inordinate amount of force to pump...
It was just very finicky.
I ended up selling it.





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I've always wanted to try out a KSG.
Friend has a KS7, and it might be the most painful gun I've ever shot. The first round really surprises you, combined with the very light weight of the pkg.

Birdshot was more tolerable in it.




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The local fun shop has had a KS7 on the wall for many moons. I didn't like the feel, and part of the deal here is capacity... so no KS7 for me. The KSG is a good chunk heavier, and while I'll be trying a grab bag of ammo in it, my intent is the mini-shells.

When it came out, now 13 years ago, I thought, neato. After a while I thought, I should really get one. I didn't really realize how much time had passed, and because I can't predict the future it was now or never.

I think the KSG might be on v. 3.0, maybe 2, but minor changes from the original. At least that's what the parts tell me. Practicing with the snap caps is the key here I think. I also think it needs to wear in some.

The fun shop seems to sell these at a good clip, had to order it. While I was there, they said everybody had been asking about the "Panzer Arms" shotgun.. New to me, is it in a video game or something? Upon googling, turns out there is a dizzying array of bullpup shotguns out there now. Hell, S&W smelled money and just came out with one. Two years ago..

I knew about the Tavor, but that thing is a waaay to chonky boi, they had one of those on the wall for a good while. Somebody likes big girls and took it home. All these other companies making pump and semi auto, many magazine fed, I'm reeeaaal skeptical of those.

At least S&W's offering appears to be significantly different from the KSG. Clearly they learned from the "Smegma." Maybe they've made real improvements? If the KSG ends up not working, I don't think I'll bother with somebody elses bullpup shotty.

I'm pretty invested in this thing already, though all the extras weren't terribly expensive, except the light. I've had it apart pretty extensively, it's innovative.


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The main 'complaint' I've heard on the KSG, is that it takes a pretty committed effort on the pump, else it will short cycle.

Didn't experience that with the KS7, and could still see a KSG in my safe in the future. There's usually 1 in stock somewhere locally & they're not terribly pricey, like they were when it first came out.

Would probably buy a CMR30 first, though.




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The CMR30 is interesting, but only 10rnders here, so not so much for me. My favorite Keltec:



The RDB-S. I'm pretty sure I posted about this, ditching the weird front sight and replacing the handguard, adding a "linear comp." It's only 2" longer than the factory model. I read people suppressing these. Great lil rifles.


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That's the 223 model, right?
IIRC you had an RFB as well?




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Never had a problem with feeding on my KSG or with function. It is nice and compact. I want to get the KS7 next when PSA has them for $300 again. I held off figuring it will always be that price but they went up, like everything else.
 
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That's the 223 model, right?
IIRC you had an RFB as well?


Right, .223, with 20rnders it's sweet.



Yeah, who can resist a .308 that takes FAL mags? I run it a lil overgassed, it's like a cheap gong. At some point I'll put something besides a surplus Elcan on it, but it works.


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...I have a handful of 12ga snap caps that are mini-sized...


Where did you buy them? I searched (unsuccessfully) for my Shockwave, ended up chopping down some full-size plastic ones.
 
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The gun shop had them. They're A-zooms. But yeah an internet search turned up nuthin, this is as close as I could get: 2" long 12ga


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I have a KS7 doing home shotgun duty. Never had an issue with it.



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As a near lifelong Floridian, I've had many KelTec employees as customers. Having said that I'd never consider one of their firearms for serious use.


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Every party needs a pooper...


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Every party needs a pooper...


Yup.
Carried my P11 for years without issue.
The only failure it had was not an out of service failure. The magazine tab broke off of the slide stop. Still functioned file, just didn't lock open on an empty mag [unless done manually]

KT shipped me a new slide stop, gratis. Easy installation & it was back in service.

Sample size of 1, take it for what you will.




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Did you have to do anything to get it to feed short rounds, Arc?



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Did you have to do anything to get it to feed short rounds, Arc?


No, it doesn't need modification to do that, which was a big selling point for me. It feeds the snaps no problem. I'm waiting on actual ammo to come in, but I'm not going to try that in the basement, lest I shoot my boiler.


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I've always loved the KSG design and ergonomics. They're just freaking cool and don't have the bulkiness of many of the other dual mag tube designs. Those Magpul slings are fantastic, too.

Why not a reflex style red dot? Something without any magnification or much of a tube to look down, such as a Trijicon SRO. Did you just want to keep it simple?

Why do you prefer the HK style hook sling mounts? While I liked them because the on/off is quick and easy, their noisiness has always bugged me a bit.


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As far as the sights, the aim is simple and not finding out which electronics don't like shotguns... or their mounts. The rear one is debatably necessary at the intended distance.

The HK style hooks are simpler and less bulky, with the sling removed the rear one basically disappears. It makes some noise when the sling is slack, but then stealth isn't the goal.


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I want to get the KS7 next when PSA has them for $300 again. I held off figuring it will always be that price but they went up, like everything else.

It's that time again. KS7 in black is $299.99.

https://palmettostatearmory.co...-shotgun-ks7blk.html
 
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