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... until I greased and oiled them liberally on the shooting bench, while my compatriots to the left and right were joyously launching lead downrange.
The were both properly lubed when I packed them away a few months ago.

Lesson learned. Again.

Good thing I was only target shooting, not repelling zombies or running Hmong gangbangers
off my lawn.



Seems maybe having a tube of oil/grease in a buttstock and/or handgrip would be highly advisable in a grab-n-go defensive rifle.

Where can I purchase replacement non-leaking oil containers that fit in such compartments?


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Where can I purchase replacement non-leaking oil containers that fit in such compartments?


M1s should be lubricated with grease, not oil.

The little yellow-top USGI grease pots are still widely available, and are designed to fit in the M1's buttplate storage area, along with a USGI cleaning kit.

The 1 ounce tubes of Tetra Grease also fit in the M1's buttplate storage area.


What grip do you have on your AR? If it's a Magpul grip, they make an insert that's designed to fit inside their grips, which comes with a 0.5 ounce oil bottle and cover.



Otherwise, you can get just a small (0.1/0.2 oz) generic dropper bottle with cap, which is small enough to fit inside most AR grips that have a sealable storage compartment.
 
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Well, that's a bummer. Glad it was an easy fix.

The ex-military guys at work always accuse me of overlubing my rifles. They say sand and dirt will stick to it and cause malfunctions. I agree that this is probably an issue in Iraq, or AZ, or on the beach in Pensacola (good grief that white powdery crap gets EVERYWHERE!). My rifle lives in northern Indiana, and spends most of its time either in the rack in my squad car or in my safe. It's gets lubed until it's just about dripping. So far it's worked for me....we've had dry guns malfunction on the range. Mine hasn't. And I've never opened it up to find the insides looking like a beach.

As to evaporation...what kind of lube are you using? It shouldn't be disappearing in just a few months. I have had that happen with Remoil in the past...I like that it's a nice thin lube, but it doesn't stick around long. My AR (along with most of my other guns) gets a homegrown concoction that one of our guys brought back from Colt armorer school...1 part synthetic ATF (current batch is made with Mercon V, since I got rid of my Ford a few years back and still had a quart sitting around) and 2 parts full-synthetic 20w50 motor oil. It doesn't evaporate, and has worked for me in temps below -20F, where even some commercial gun lubes I've used have frozen up.

My Garand-style actions get greased with white lubriplate. I'm pretty liberal with it, but try to put just enough on that excess isn't getting flung off when I'm shooting. I've not had any issues with it evaporating. I'm not real sure how it does in cold temps, or if it will dry out and cake up over time...I haven't shot it in the winter much yet, and it hasn't gone long enough between cleanings to worry about drying out. But it does seems to do a good job of lubricating the metal-on-metal contact surfaces, and stays where you put it. Bonus, the 1pt tub I bought will probably last me 3 lifetimes!
 
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M14 Lube instructions. Works for M1 Garand and Carbine too.



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... until I greased and oiled them liberally on the shooting bench, while my compatriots to the left and right were joyously launching lead downrange.
The were both properly lubed when I packed them away a few months ago.

Lesson learned. Again.

Good thing I was only target shooting, not repelling zombies or running Hmong gangbangers
off my lawn.



Seems maybe having a tube of oil/grease in a buttstock and/or handgrip would be highly advisable in a grab-n-go defensive rifle.

Where can I purchase replacement non-leaking oil containers that fit in such compartments?


My email is in my profile. Contact me and I will send you a couple.
 
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Um? properly lubricated a couple of months ago does not equal won't run now. At least in my experience. did you store them? in a parts washer?
Anyway having the proper lube around at the range is a key component of fun. But to my actual point. I expect anything I put away ready to go to be just that for way longer than a couple of months. And it has been my experience that has been true for lots of samples on lots of different types of guns stored lots of different ways. Grease and oil don't evaporate at any measurable rate... So how were these stored?


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Thanks for the advice, suggestions, offers and video links guys!

I had used G96 grease on the M1, and G96 grease and oil on the AR. They're stored in hard cases in a locked closet in the air conditioned basement.

The grip that came on the rifle isn't a MagPul, but it is hollow.



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What does Bruce Gray say…? Get some damn grease!

Benny’s video is the way. I use white lithium grease, available at every automotive store for super cheap. Lasts long, doesn’t dry out easily.


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Is anyone using Slide Glide?
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For something like an M1, I wonder if it would have the proper thickness and viscosity. No personal experience with it, but after watching some videos on YouTube, it looks a bit thinner than I would feel good about using. Could be wrong, and there’s probably someone who will say it’s fine, but I would prefer a heavier grease.

As violently as the action cycles, I want a thick enough grease that stays put and won’t get splashed about. An M1 cycles faster than an AR and the action is much less enclosed.


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When I was in the CG, we slathered the M16s with Break Free or LSA (they were to only authorized lubes) until the guns were WET, stand them in the corner on a rag until it runs off. You can’t go wrong with a wet gun.

They will stop working with dry guns.

We did an experiment at one unit where we used the same 10 rifles for ALL the M16 training for a year. Where we ran the gun w/o cleaning to see if or when they would break. When they would slow or stop running we just squirted Break free into the action and told the guys to keep shooting. IIRC 8 out of 10 rifles went over 5k and never broke. The other 2 were minor things like springs in the triggers that didn’t really have to do with lube or cleaning per say, one also had he front sight block fall off…more specific the tapered pins fell out and the block rolled over and upside down and the gun went to a one shot until I hammered the pins back in.

I routinely clean my ARs and lube them with 30w mobile On e (cause I have a big ole jug of it)none of them have locked up….

I use red axel grease on my M1A. It works just fine with it.



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I suspect the G96 products separated and dried out with time, possibly even leaving gummed up residue.
That's why I stopped using TetraGun products a while back.


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I use Breakfree CLP. lubes and stays put well, and doesn't dry to a gum.


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Small tube of Lucas grease should easily fit in the buttdtock of your Garand. Good stuff IMHO. My Garands and especially my M1a really smoothed out with it.
 
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Is anyone using Slide Glide?
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I use it on most of my firearms. It works great, although I can't say that it works better than any other lubricants I've used either. I don't think I've ever actually had a lubrication related failure.

I wouldn't hesitate to use it if it's available, but I wouldn't go a long way out of my way to get it instead of anything else either.




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