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I had heard of it, but never actually seen one. No, I didn't buy it. Big Grin This shotgun, instead of an action charging handle, has a knurled section of the barrel that you grasp and pull back on to chamber a round or clear a stoppage. (Good luck with that after you've fired a shot.) Since this requires a great deal of effort, sometimes users would brace the butt on the ground to cycle it, which leaves the gun in a position to blow their heads off. The shotgun had signage on it saying "Widowmaker" and that it would only be sold with a signed waiver.
 
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Cool find, I've never seen one in person. Forgotten Weapons did a segment on them that was pretty interesting. What a horrible design. Big Grin


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Ah yes, the Widowmaker. What a lovely design...IIRC, Winchester designed it like that because John Browning had already patented a charging handle for the long recoil system for a competitor, and using the barrel directly to cock the gun was a way to get around that. Probably thought they were being pretty smart until the first fudd jammed the stock into the dirt, pushed down, and blew his head off Eek!
 
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It was in (at a casual glance) near-pristine condition. Maybe it was only used once? Big Grin

I'm not sure what value this thing would have, unless for a Winchester collector who just has to have one of every model made, no matter how bad. Or just likes oddities. Getting to see unusual items like this are why I like going to gun shows.
 
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A little about that shotgun. New to me.



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^^^ Interesting to see how both work. The principle is the same, but the executions are quite different.
 
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Winchester told JMB to kick rocks with his auto loading shotgun after buying dozens of patents the previous few decades. So he went to FN, that left Winchester behind the 8 ball and they came up with this loser design. File this one under Great executive decisions in history.
 
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sold a couple a few years ago from a collection, not in great shape but not really a beater either,

they went cheap, most folks don't know what they are


incidently, the collection was maybe 2 hrs (or 3) east of the OP



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