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Leupold has the FX series I think it's called. Moderate price. There's also the Vortex prisms which are cheaper. I have a fixed 3x that's clear but the eye relief and eye box are a bit harsh. Pretty sure Vortex came out with a fixed 5x this year or last. ACOG of course and there is a model for piggyback RMR. I almost went that route but the LPVO I purchased was cheaper. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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Fixed 3x Vortex prism? If so, is the semicircle reticle visible without the battery power? (I looked but could not find it on the Vortex site.) “I don’t want some ‘gun nut’ training my officers [about firearms].” — Unidentified chief of an American police department. “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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The reticle is etched to the glass so it's just like a regular scope when it's not on. Depending in the application the tried and true SWFA 10x42 is still about $300. | |||
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Thank you. I was under the impression that all prismatic type sights had etched reticles, but didn't want to assume. “I don’t want some ‘gun nut’ training my officers [about firearms].” — Unidentified chief of an American police department. “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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It's very usable and illumination helps quite a bit. The reticle in it is on the smaller side but I was hitting at 325 yards with it. Just not an ideal eye box and relief is not great. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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I am not but Jerry Miculek has some very nice You tube vids of what and how he uses his. Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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It's slower than not doing it. That's not a smart ass answer, it's just the facts when trying to shave off every possible second. | |||
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So far I’m liking red dot offset, I bought a Vortex Viper PST Gen2 1-6 sitting in a Badger Ordance mount with Holosun offset.  David W. Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. -Sophocles | |||
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That's very nice. Quick question. What did you zero your red dot at? I did a 50 yard zero for the scope but I'm almost thinking 25 yards for the RMR. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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100 yard for the scope 50 yard for the red dot David W. Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. -Sophocles | |||
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Thanks for this thread. I’ve been contemplating the same thing for my hunting AR. Sometimes, those coyotes and hogs appear closer than expected and are moving FAST! I’m back and forth between an extra RMR I have and an extra HS403 (T1 pattern) red dot. Larue makes a offset mount that attaches to the main scope body but I think the offset needs to mount to the rifle rail for stability/security. | |||
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There's a regional 2-rifle match which I've entered a handful or more times. For each stage's 5-minute limit, shooters must engage 5 long distance targets with a bolt action, and 10 close-to-mid distance targets with a carbine. We start most stages with one gun & pack slung, and one gun in hand. The carbine targets vary in distance from 5 to 400 yards. I've shot the match with good results, generally using an 18" barrel AR15 with a NF NXS F1 3.5-15x scope. The scope is great for the 100-400 yard targets, but definitely is not the best for the 5-50 yard targets. Top competitors use a variety of single or double optic setups. The guy who has won the match the most often uses a single 2-10x Vortex. A couple of years ago in this match, I won a Warne package -- one-piece scope mount, 45 degree offset mount, and a couple of torque wrenches. The 45 degree offset mount has collected dust, but the other items have been great in use. A few weeks ago I bought a 3.5 MOA dot Trijicon RMR with a low picatinny mount. I went for a proof of concept, trying it on a JP .22lr upper -- which currently has a NF SHV F1 4-14x scope. I planned to install the RMR just forward of the ocular lens, but that didn't work. The scope has a NF one-piece mount which limits rail location options for the offset mount. The one place on the rail where the offset mount would go resulted in inadequate clearance between the ocular piece and the RMR. I did install the offset mount and RMR in a forward rail section, which I had been using to hold my TBR brass catcher.   The SHV scope is zeroed at 50 yards. I zeroed the RMR at 25 yards. I have recently set up a couple of steel target courses in erosion ravines at our family ranch. So far I've shot 200 rounds at targets of various distances in two different ravines, alternating between the RMR and the scope -- set at 4x. The targets afterwards:   With so few rounds down range, I'm still learning the ropes with the RMR. - I'm slower than I'd like transitioning between close targets with the RMR and longer targets with the scope. - I do like the RMR for close targets. It's much easier to move laterally from one target to another. - I transition from the RMR to the scope eyebox pretty well. I don't yet transition the best from the scope eyebox to the sweet spot of the RMR. I tend to look through the very top of the RMR. I think I'll buy Trijicon's higher mount for the RMR, which supposedly raises the RMR by around 3/4". I hope this keeps the cheek weld position more closely matched during sight systems transitions. - I am surprised how well I can hit 25-50 yard targets with the RMR from an off-hand position. My vision sucks, but I have no issues with the RMR's dot. I'm glad I bought the 3.5 MOA dot. - I have not yet timed myself on match-inspired stages. I need to compare scope-only to scope-plus-RMR times. I need more time with this 22 upper, especially with the same paper targets used in the 2-rifle match. But at this time, I am definitely open to using a 45-degree offset on my match .223 AR15 carbine. | |||
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Looks like a nice set-up. I've had my AR out a few times and like you, transition between the scope and the RMR is a bit slower but still decent. Also agree on the offhand shooting with the RMR, surprisingly quicker than before. I have my RMR zeroed at 36 yards ala Shawn Ryan and the scope at 50. It works for me and I have both zeroes wrote down for reference. Not that far apart really. I also have the RMR mounted just in front of the scope just off of the receiver part of the rail. Just wouldn't fit right in front of the scope with the scope mount I have. So far, no issues. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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In looking for a good optic setup for a Ruger SFAR I realized something. I was looking at the ACRO P2, but mounting it next to a scope interferes with controls and battery compartments on the left side. | |||
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Zero distances depend on the shooter's use and preference. I don't like dealing with hold unders for distances closer than the rifle system's zero. Which means I set optics for only one zero -- where the bullet's ballistic arc matches optic's POA only once during flight. For my centerfire rifle cartridges this is 100 yards. Bolt action or semi auto. 223, 6CM, 6.5CM, 300blk, 308 Win. For 300blk that's with supersonic 110-125 grain ammo. 150-ish grain ammo has a POI a touch low at 100 yards. Subsonic 300blk is noticeably lower, but that's not what I shoot very often, and definitely not at 100 yards. 50 yards works well for 22lr. I have my 9mm AR upper zeroed at either 35 or 40 yards -- don't recall the exact point right now, but I think it's essentially the same POI for either distance. The only time I want to deal with hold unders is on fast paced PRS-type stages -- multiple targets, and multiple positions for each of those targets. For example, targets at 400, 500, and 600 yards -- 1 shot each from 3 positions -- too little time to dial elevations for each shot. Required elevation might be 6 MOA, 8.5 MOA, and 11.5 MOA for the respective target distances. In this scenario I would likely dial 8.5 MOA for the 500 yard target, then hold under 1.5 MOA for the close target and 3 MOA over for the far target. Again, zeros and reticle use depends on the user. | |||
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Thanks for those who’ve posted real life experiences. I’ve got an Arisaka mount on the way for my RMR and will give it a shot in the weeks to come. | |||
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That's what I'm running. You won't be disappointed. I'll try to get a picture posted today after work of the mount. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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Beautiful piece of property. I am jealous Sir. | |||
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