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Originally posted by Chimper:
https://youtu.be/gpz8KTqoOhk

Chris is a lifetime Colt fan. This is his opinion.

I have to say this was fascinating to listen to. I actually just listened to it like it was a podcast. If what he says is true, this is pretty much part and parcel what I’ve seen from other manufacturers. Many years ago, I heard a marketing director say that the internet was a “fad”, wouldn’t be around long term, and print media is where it’s at.

Where is he now? Senior VP, of course

By the time I really saw the light for The AR-15, BCM was offering more of what I wanted than Colt. I have recently picked up a 6933EPR And 6970 complete upper. Might have to pick up a couple more. And I alway keep an eye open for a M16A2 config Colt, with bayonet lug.

Colt had the military contract for years. Some of those rifles fired tens of thousands of rounds. They go bang when you pull the trigger.

I am a Colt rifle type of person.
It has been about 3.5 years ago, right before we moved here to NC, I was in my favorite gun store/shooting range.

I was comparing a Colt 6920 to a BCM and a DD pencil barrel version (I believe). I used to be a weapons fanatic and knew every little +/- nuance between various M16/M4 manufactures. Since I have been slipping, I asked the salesman a few questions. I listened and stated that I guess I am just a Colt person. He opined that it is great old technology.

Since I got hired by Uncle Sam way way back in 1992, I have always been issued a Colt M16A2 or M4 and I am very happy with them. They have never let me down both in permissive and non permissive environments. I take really good care of my weapons but some how i am still hard on them.

The only other rifle to catch my eye was the FN M16A4 with a detachable carry handle, rails and adjustable stock that I was issued in basic training this time around in 2010.

In the LE world I have been issued RRA also but I always go back to Colt.

They build a quality rifle but I've never been persuaded to buy one.

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That's not exactly accurate.

I bolt a Colt 603 parts kit a few years ago for a retro build. It's all Colt except for the lower and FCG. It's a sweetheart.

After dealing with their customer service recently, I'm in no hurry to buy Colt.

i have 8 Colts including the 3 you specifically mentioned. I wont buy a 'new' Colt. all mine are old school roll marked, not this new crap

So, no one seems to be able to answer the question I have asked once.

Why are the new rifles "crap"? It's been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, but no reasons for the opinion given. I ask because I have a brand new one. I have a 6940 and 6920s from years ago. The new one seems to be built correctly, with milspec parts, and I see nothing out of the way with it.

I'm not vested in the new Colt rifle I've picked up in the last six months. It's not the train wreck the Colt knock offs were...........

They aren't bad. People are fickle, and tend to complain about stupid things.

I've owned two 6920s and a LE901 and they were all solid. They had the MPI and "C" marks on all the right parts. They functioned as they should. And when I sold off my ARs they were the last to go. I've had numerous BCMs, Daniel Defenses and Spikes and always considered the Colts the best of the lot.

I've seen people complain that some of the barrels and bolts on some models are no longer "C" marked leading to speculation that they are outsourced parts. But Colt has always outsourced for components. So there's that.

Colt produced some budgets ARs without some of the Mil-Spec features, like chrome lined bores, so people complained about that. And I don't think those guns were actually made by Colt.

Colt stopped selling ARs to the public for awhile, setting off more complaints.

If I decided to buy another AR, I'd try and find a 6920 or a SOCOM. My ONLY complaint was that one of my 6920s came with some pretty substantial scratches from the factory. I touched those up with some flat black Testors model paint and forgot about them.

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Originally posted by jljones:
So, no one seems to be able to answer the question I have asked once.

Why are the new rifles "crap"? It's been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, but no reasons for the opinion given. I ask because I have a brand new one. I have a 6940 and 6920s from years ago. The new one seems to be built correctly, with milspec parts, and I see nothing out of the way with it.

I'm not vested in the new Colt rifle I've picked up in the last six months. It's not the train wreck the Colt knock offs were...........

There is no qualitative difference in the new Colts vs. the older ones. I have 5 6920s from a range of several years and different configurations.

When you hear people gripe about the new ones, you have to bear in mind that there are a lot of Colt collectors in the AR community. Normally the differences you will see on new 6920s are:

1) The change over from LE to CR serial# prefixes.

2) The change from roll marked receivers to laser etched receiver markings.

3) The political correction of removing "M16" and "M4" military designations to the more politically correct "CARBINE" designation.

There has been some talk of Colt outsourcing some of their parts but the truth is, they have always outsourced some components. Colt has never been known for fit & finish on their ARs as compared to some of the other high end makers.

As I have yet to acquire a 6940 with a monolithic upper receiver, I would have absolutely no qualms about purchasing a brand new current production model. Yes, I would prefer the old roll marks but functionally I know it's the exact same product as older models.

I will qualify the above statements by saying... Anyone who knows me on this forum knows me to be critical of new SIG Sauer products. I will not own a current production SIG Sauer product. Comparatively, I have no such reservations regarding new or current production Colt ARs. The new Pythons are a different story.

I’d say that’s fair.

I was just wondering if I was missing something.

Thanks

After selling my '79 M16A1 I bought an LE6945CQB in 2016.

...sometimes fired in .300 BLK

I love Colt ARs. I do prefer CHF CL barrels and wish we could get them from Colt Canada, along with CC’s updated mlok extended length 694x chassis. Colt 14.5” SOCOM M4A1 heavy barrels are excellent and among my favorite shooters.

If only Colt would have moved forward with the M5 Ambi lower program, started CHF CL barrels to include mid length gas options, and advanced the monolithic upper to use the longer fore-end with mlok.

I'm a traditionalist. My AR-15 Model 639 was perfect when it was produced in '72. It will never be bastardized!



(My Rick Kuehl .22lr conversion upper is on top.)

I love my LE6933 and my CR6724. I can't comment on new quality.

Bruce

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
I'm a traditionalist. My AR-15 Model 639 was perfect when it was produced in '72. It will never be bastardized!



(My Rick Kuehl .22lr conversion upper is on top.)

Gorgeous. And those are some of the cleanest, crisp rollmarkings I’ve seen on a Colt.

I’ve got a few pony’s ... then when I found out they were selling licensing rights and found out the last one I bought was built “under license” ... well, that was the last pony I bought except for this one ...

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Anyone still have a thing for Colt rifles?

Never had a thing for them, although I have owned some of them in the past.

Recently I've seen a couple of NIB 6920s for sale. The ad claims they have CL barrels but some people here have posted otherwise. Does Colt maybe offer both a CL version and a non-CL version?

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Originally posted by kaschi:
Recently I've seen a couple of NIB 6920s for sale. The ad claims they have CL barrels but some people here have posted otherwise. Does Colt maybe offer both a CL version and a non-CL version?

6920s have chrome lined barrels.