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So you want a 9mm "Subgun"?

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March 14, 2017, 10:06 PM
Andyb
So you want a 9mm "Subgun"?
quote:
Originally posted by 10X-Shooter:
AndyB, question for you if you don't mind regarding the retractable stock on the APC. Do the metal stock arms come into contact with the sides of the reciever and create wear from opening and closing? Just wondering before going sbr and I get too carried away with buying various stock options. Thanks.


It touches ever so slightly on the left side near the cross. I think thats more to do with holding it in the right hand while extending putting some side pressure on it. It doesn't seem to touch anywhere else. I've extended it more than a couple hundred times at this point either shooting or just messing around. I'll try and get a photo soon, really only visible in direct light. The stock is too cool for it to bug me Wink



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March 15, 2017, 03:20 PM
10X-Shooter
Thanks. I figured you'd have the answer.



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March 16, 2017, 07:34 PM
06wrb
Andyb, on your Zenith Z5P, what all was required to sbr? Looking on one of the vendor sites it mentions they have all the parts to make it 922 compliant. Many parts to replace or just add a stock once the stamp comes back?
March 17, 2017, 08:49 AM
Andyb
quote:
Originally posted by 06wrb:
Andyb, on your Zenith Z5P, what all was required to sbr? Looking on one of the vendor sites it mentions they have all the parts to make it 922 compliant. Many parts to replace or just add a stock once the stamp comes back?


There are a few to replace, I don't remember the number though. I would run a search on the HKPro forum.

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/p...-Parts-922r-c235.htm



"Pickin' stones and pullin' teats is a hard way to make a living. But, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fightin' dudes with treasure trails."

"We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled."
March 17, 2017, 02:23 PM
10X-Shooter
Wish we had this one available.


March 18, 2017, 06:42 AM
steel96
Question for you B&T owners. Why choose the APC9 over the KH9? Also, how does the .45 ACP compare to the 9mm in these B&T's?
March 18, 2017, 08:43 AM
Andyb
quote:
Originally posted by steel96:
Question for you B&T owners. Why choose the APC9 over the KH9? Also, how does the .45 ACP compare to the 9mm in these B&T's?


The KH9 was intended as a "hobby" gun by a gentleman at B&T (Karl's Hobby 9) whereas the APC9 was intended for more serious use. The KH9 also does not have a safety only a decocker. I don't own a KH9, but may someday. I would go APC9 unless the Spectre-esque KH is too much of a draw Wink



"Pickin' stones and pullin' teats is a hard way to make a living. But, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fightin' dudes with treasure trails."

"We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled."
March 18, 2017, 12:17 PM
10X-Shooter
The KH is also a little more expensive but you get two magwell parts to change between Spectre mags and B&T mags. If you have any of those 50 rd mags from the Spectre then you'll have a nice piece to use with those mags. I really would like one of those GHM9 models in addition to my APC. Saw one of those KHM9's when I bought mine.

March 19, 2017, 09:28 PM
Brucken91
Has anyone tried the proprietary B&T can on a TP9? I love the look of that whole package but cant seem to find any feedback on how it performs.
March 20, 2017, 04:45 PM
kimberkid
quote:
Originally posted by Brucken91:
Has anyone tried the proprietary B&T can on a TP9? I love the look of that whole package but cant seem to find any feedback on how it performs.

Does it only fit the TP9 or will it also fit the SPP?


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... if you don't you'll find an excuse.

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March 20, 2017, 05:29 PM
Brucken91
quote:
Originally posted by kimberkid:
quote:
Originally posted by Brucken91:
Has anyone tried the proprietary B&T can on a TP9? I love the look of that whole package but cant seem to find any feedback on how it performs.

Does it only fit the TP9 or will it also fit the SPP?


As far as I know only the TP9, since the SPP/TMP didn't use the odd oversized 3-lug system.
March 20, 2017, 08:45 PM
kimberkid
Thanks, I haven't seen one and didn't know it was a 3-lug attachment ... but I have a SPP, so if the HPA passes I'd be interested.

On another note, I shot a friends MPX yesterday ... He had replaced the trigger with a CMMG? 3.5 flat bow trigger, while the trigger was nice, overall I wasn't too impressed, it was just OK ... I wish I knew someone with a BT APC9; while I don't find it a particularly attractive weapon, it does seems to have favorable reviews from people here I respect.


If you really want something you'll find a way ...
... if you don't you'll find an excuse.

I'm really not a "kid" anymore ... but I haven't grown up yet either Wink
March 23, 2017, 10:29 PM
10X-Shooter
quote:
Originally posted by kimberkid:
Thanks, I haven't seen one and didn't know it was a 3-lug attachment ... but I have a SPP, so if the HPA passes I'd be interested.

On another note, I shot a friends MPX yesterday ... He had replaced the trigger with a CMMG? 3.5 flat bow trigger, while the trigger was nice, overall I wasn't too impressed, it was just OK ... I wish I knew someone with a BT APC9; while I don't find it a particularly attractive weapon, it does seems to have favorable reviews from people here I respect.


If you're ever in The area of Knoxville, Chattanooga, or in between give me a shout and you can run mine. Had a SPP in the early to mid 90's. Ridiculously accurate.
March 24, 2017, 10:37 AM
kimberkid
Thanks for the offer ... if I make it out that way I'll let you know!


If you really want something you'll find a way ...
... if you don't you'll find an excuse.

I'm really not a "kid" anymore ... but I haven't grown up yet either Wink
April 18, 2017, 02:39 PM
10X-Shooter
Thought this thread needs a new breath of fresh air so back up with a picture.



MRO cover on the APC


April 19, 2017, 06:54 AM
TampaSIG
Great thread. I have a APC45 that I want to use with my Tirant 45. Has anybody figured out how to do this? I'm waiting on a spare barrel to thread and "barrel tool" for removal from B&T, but not sure it's ever coming.
April 21, 2017, 04:48 AM
Gibb
I just ordered the Omega MP5 clone from Atlantic Firearms. I should be able to pick it up from the ffl Wednesday.
I haven't been this excited/anxious for a gun in a long time.

This will complete my military issued collection, that is, the civilian versions of all the firearms I had weapons cards for while I was in.
This includes:
M16-a2 (I built an 20" AR for this one)
M-9
Mossberg 590 (with heat shield and bayonet lug)
MP-5n

Now I've got plenty of other firearms that get more range time, but there is a certain familiarity with these. They all hold a special place in my heart, and to finally get the last piece is a relief. I want to build a display case for them that includes my uniform, but that'll be a ways down the road.




I shall respect you until you open your mouth, from that point on, you must earn it yourself.
April 21, 2017, 08:37 AM
JRC
quote:
Originally posted by Gibb:
I just ordered the Omega MP5 clone from Atlantic Firearms. I should be able to pick it up from the ffl Wednesday.
I haven't been this excited/anxious for a gun in a long time.

This will complete my military issued collection, that is, the civilian versions of all the firearms I had weapons cards for while I was in.
This includes:
M16-a2 (I built an 20" AR for this one)
M-9
Mossberg 590 (with heat shield and bayonet lug)
MP-5n

Now I've got plenty of other firearms that get more range time, but there is a certain familiarity with these. They all hold a special place in my heart, and to finally get the last piece is a relief. I want to build a display case for them that includes my uniform, but that'll be a ways down the road.


Nice collection! Marine MP?
April 21, 2017, 12:32 PM
10X-Shooter
Post lotsa pictures when you get it in. Should be a fun shooter.
April 21, 2017, 12:46 PM
Gibb
quote:
Originally posted by JRC:
Nice collection! Marine MP?


Security Force... glorified mall guard, but got to play with some cool shit Cool

If I ever hit the lotto, I'll get the good stuff (happiness is a warm belt fed after all!) but for now I'm content with this.




I shall respect you until you open your mouth, from that point on, you must earn it yourself.