When I was a kid, I first learned to shoot at camp, on what I think now were full size surplus military trainers, because that's what they could get. I don't recall any "chipmunk" size rifles being available at Riflery.

It saddens me that the camp I went to doesn't have Riflery anymore.

Anyway, My knee jerk is to get a 77/22, but they stopped making them. What is your choice for a currently available .22 bolt that is boy accessible, but not necessarilly full chipmunk.

Down the line I'll be building an M1 Carbine pattern 10/22 for the boy (well, me too.)

A decent .22 bolt is in order. Maybe later I'll get a really fancy one, I know they're out there.

Though, that later rifle may be .17hmr, because of the increased utility of the round.

Thoughts? I'm not opposed to finding used models of any kind, if it's a good rifle.

What you are looking for is a CZ.

Several models available with irons.

455 Scout For the smaller shooter

455 Training Rifle Full size

455 Lux Full size

455 Ultra Lux Full size

455 FS (Mannlicher) Full Size and very pretty

Most of these guns can go from 22 LR, 22 WMR, or 17 HMR with a simple barrel change. You can grow with them and they are very easy on the wallet compared to others. You may be able to find used CZ 452's that are also great. Can't change the barrels on those though.

Good luck and enjoy.

Arc,

My daughter works at a local GS, he has a beautiful 77/22 on consignment.

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Originally posted by DSgrouse:
My daughter works at a local GS, he has a beautiful 77/22 on consignment.

Sounds like a pretty progressive gun shop.

She turned 14, wanted a job, filled out the required paperwork and asked the owner if he would hire her. She works Saturdays. He will be open Tuesday. I'll email you his contact info. Small little shop.

Depending on which direction you want to go - Savage has the FVT trainer style rifles. It's a Mark II rifle so you might be able to drop it in a shorter LOP stock for the formitive years, or cut it down and restock it later.

Mark I single shot and Mark II mag-fed.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFVT

As in your other thread, I'd go for the Ruger 77/22 if I could find one in .22LR at a reasonable price. If not, then the Ruger American Rimfire Wood Stock.

The 77/22 is the most "real rifle" feeling .22 I have ever handled, and it is a work of art. They are expensive, and currently not offered by Ruger in .22LR, only .22 Hornet, which is a much more powerful and expensive center fire cartridge.

CZ 452 Lux.

New production i would pick the 455 Trainer.


Very high quality sights, and the tangent sights are properly regulated as such you can actually hit from 25 to 200 meters within the constraints of your ammunition capability.

CZ's are the way to go for a quality 22 bolt gun. Even if someone would part with Kimber 22 it wouldn't have Irons unless it was one of the match models..........

Look around for a Winchester Wildcat. Made in Turkey for Winchester. Mine came with 5 magazines. Accurate and looks pretty nice, with the exception of a few plastic parts. It was cheap, too.
you cant go wrong with Ruger or CZ.

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CZ 455....aside from being a long time advocate and user, I just posted a 455 Standard in the classifieds. If youre after a bit fancier stick, the Lux is what you want. Like you, I had 0 iron sighted rimfires outside of my kids 455 Scouts. Found these on sale last week and brought a few in.

https://www.czub.cz/en/produkt...cz-455-standard.html

A few years ago there would've been some neat Russian rifles still around. CZ would be a great way to go.

My first 22 was a CZ513 BASIC (non-adjustable trigger). My next was a 452 2E-ZKM. Both take the same mags. 22 bolts can be addicting.

I bought a CZ 455 Scout to teach my 7-year-old daughter to shoot.

It's a pretty little rifle, and seems reasonably accurate. The trigger is quite good for a stock rifle. The action is a little rough. I don't personally like bolt-shroud-mounted safeties, and to me, the one on the CZ 455 is backwards.

I do like that it comes with a threaded barrel. With subsonic ammo and my Liberty Essence it is basically silent. The click of the firing pin is louder than the sound of the gun firing, and the sound of the bullet hitting the backstop is louder than both.

I learned on air rifles and a chipmunk as a little kid, then switched to a youth-model Anschutz with aperture sights when I was maybe 9 or 10. The basic youth-model Anschutz rifles aren't super expensive, and that rifle was accurate enough to get me to expert in NRA 50-foot 4-position smallbore.

Aperture sights are MUCH easier to shoot accurately than open sights.

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Originally posted by DSgrouse:
She turned 14, wanted a job, filled out the required paperwork and asked the owner if he would hire her. She works Saturdays. He will be open Tuesday. I'll email you his contact info. Small little shop.

you are in the RVA area, correct??

would like to know what shop as well, if you don't mind,
not interested in the ruger, but always looking at other stuff

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
When I was a kid, I first learned to shoot at camp, on what I think now were full size surplus military trainers, because that's what they could get. I don't recall any "chipmunk" size rifles being available at Riflery.

It saddens me that the camp I went to doesn't have Riflery anymore.

Anyway, My knee jerk is to get a 77/22, but they stopped making them. What is your choice for a currently available .22 bolt that is boy accessible, but not necessarilly full chipmunk.

Down the line I'll be building an M1 Carbine pattern 10/22 for the boy (well, me too.)

A decent .22 bolt is in order. Maybe later I'll get a really fancy one, I know they're out there.

Though, that later rifle may be .17hmr, because of the increased utility of the round.

Thoughts? I'm not opposed to finding used models of any kind, if it's a good rifle.

if you what what you may have shot as a kid, there are plenty of 513T's on the marked in great shape,

22 target market is a bit depressed now, so there area few deals to be had

The CZ bolt guns are really nice. A friend of mine has a 455 and he can swap out barrels between 22lr and 17hmr. His 455 and my 452 are very accurate.

I didn't know 77/22's were gone? I recently bought a new one in 22mag. But in any case if you can't get a 77/22 my recommendation is the CZ 455. I have a few 77/22's and CZ's. The CZ is 95% of the gun at 60% of the cost. With the added benefit of caliber conversion and readily available parts. No reservations that you will be totally happy with the CZ.