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This is my second rig I'm currently shooting it also has a Lilja barrel but in a MDT XRS chassis. It has a better scope (Zeiss) and shoots groups of similar size as the one above.   JEREMIAH 33:3 | |||
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I have Compass Lake Engineering AR-15 upper in 22lr. It's built with a Walther barrel, and will shoot as well as any rifle in 10M smallbore. I've shot it out to 100 yards and it'll hold just under 1" with the old SK made paper box Wolf MT. Below is a 10M smallbore target I shot with the now unavailable Wolf MT made by SK.  _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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I recently got a Bergara B-14 R. It's currently in an MDT chassis.  This is what it did at 100 yards with the newer Wolf MT made by Lapua.  The Lapua made Wolf isn't as good as the SK made stuff was. Below is a photo of what I had to do to get the ammo ready to shoot those two cherry picked groups. I was dividing my ammo by weight, using a tuner, tuning multiple types of ammo, and it was a long long day of bench rest type shooting. I ended up relegating the Wolf to plinking duty because the B-14 R I have vastly prefers SK made ammo, and SK Pistol Match in particular.  _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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Walther makes a good barrel. I had one that shot well but not quite as good as the Lilja barrels seem to. I had a Lothar Walther barrel on one of my 457s. It was a good shooter. JEREMIAH 33:3 | |||
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Volquartsen Summit. Decent rifle. Odd toggle mechanism. Fun to shoot. https://youtu.be/gP1ml2VZNaE?si=1f30gi-oYw-UUy_z Ignem Feram | |||
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Nice groups. I’ve been thinking more about weight sorting. It seems like even the highest quality 22 Long Rifle ammunition produces the unexplainable outliers/flyers, and I’m wondering if it would be worth the effort to try to reduce them by addressing that variable. The Volquartsen is an interesting rifle. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, toggle actions are popular with biathlon shooters, probably because they don’t move the gun as much when cycling between shots. It would be good to know how it does in precision work, i.e., rested with high quality ammo. ► 6.4/93.6 “ Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one’s own mind without another’s guidance.” — Immanuel Kant | |||
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I have a friend who sorts by weight. He shoots Lapua exclusively and according to him it is pretty consistent. But it would be handy to seperate and isolate the rounds that might be flyers. JEREMIAH 33:3 | |||
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The current production wolf is made by ELEY not lapua or SK. For decades eley was the top choice for 22 accuracy, but has fallen off the throne in the last 10 years or so, with shooters finding Lapua and RWS more consistent | |||
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Yea, my bad. The Eley made Wolf is not nearly good as the old SK made Wolf.
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Smallbore shooters use a number of procedures and tools to try and maximize the consistency of their ammo. They inclide: Measuring rim thickness Measuring bullet round out Wiping down excess bullet lube Weighing and culling light\heavy rounds The Wolf I was testing shot good enough at 10M that I wouldn't really benifit from extensive ammo prep as far as my scores are concerned. At 100 yards all that weighing and culling did tighten my overall groups by around 300%. Bottom line is the new Wolf is religated to the status of training ammo because my Bergara really likes SK Pistol Match, which is my ammo of choice for all my 22 match pistols.
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Do you have any links to good discussion about that? The one I found that actually showed a test one person did seemed to show some improvement in precision, but the related discussion seemed to raise some questions about whether it was truly significant. There is much Internet advice about how to remove the lube, but I’m wondering how well the accuracy advantages have been established. I had one very bad experience with leading building up in a 22LR barrel and don’t want to risk that again if removing the lube could make that a possibility. ► 6.4/93.6 “ Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one’s own mind without another’s guidance.” — Immanuel Kant | |||
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So.... A 300% reduction to a 3 inch measurement results in a negative 6 inch measurement. Kinda tough to measure with the tools in my basement, but it works in theoretical mathematics. A 66.67% reduction to a 3 inch item results in a 1 inch item. This 1 inch item is 33.33% of the size of a 3 inch item. A 3 inch item is 300% the size of a 1 inch item. Taking a 1 inch item to 3 inches is an increase of 200%. | |||
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At this point I can't remember exactly where I came across the idea of wiping off excess buller lube. It may have been something I picked up at a smallbore match, or something I read on line. I used to lurk a bit on Rimfire Central, so I might have run across it there. I do remember that someone cautioned people to not just randomly wipe down rimfire ammo. Wiping down was in response to visible excess masses of lube that left what looked like a water droplet on the bullet.
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At the start of all this the Wolf was grouping almost 3" at 100 yards. Weighing and culling reduced the best groups to just under.75". I may have expressed it incorrectly, or maybe you're just picking nits.
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That's a significant improvement in accuracy, which calculates at a 75% reduction. | |||
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Sorry, I think I was mentally jumping around a bit here. I shoot smallbore in the winter and the targets are set at 10m, or 33'. At that distance most brands of 22lr will shoot well enough to let me get training feedback from my targets. I am not an actual smallbore competitor, but I use the discipline for training. My comment on the 100 yard targets was in relation to a starting group of almost 3" which was full of fliers that I weighed and culled down to the two best .75" groupings. I'm also running a tuner so that was part of the experiment.
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Yea, I thought it out backwards. Thanks. The biggest problem was it wasn't really repeatable. The ammo just wasn't consistent enough and I hit a node of maximum accuracy right through those two targets. This message has been edited. Last edited by: SgtGold, _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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