I picked up this 870 Police Magnum for a song, found the factory 14” Remington barrel on GB. It’s violent to shoot, but she’s handy I’d like to send the barrel to Vang Comp sometime. That new Mossberg 990 has caught my eye too.

Y’all gotta stop! I’m feeling the itch…

Those are some cool Shotguns.

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Originally posted by DennisM:
This one is a twin of what I carried on the job. Short barrel, short stock = in and out of vehicles easily, excellent handling in the generally crappy/cramped houses I seemed to keep searching over and over again, still enough forward weight to be very manageable on second and third shots.

The whole "in and out of vehicles" and "crappy Section 8 apartments" is less of a thing post-retirement, but there are effectively no places in my house I can't easily maneuver with this shotgun. Surprisingly, there are a few storage options in my car that wouldn't work with four more inches, so that's a side benefit when I take it traveling.

I'm a shotgun nerd and while I'm aware of all of the benefits of a rifle for SD applications, my circumstances make shotguns an excellent choice. Having a shotgun that can go everywhere I need is a plus. If it's a particularly non-NFA-friendly destination, the original barrel on this one also has a Scattergun Track-Lok front sight, so while it's slightly less maneuverable it's still a platform I can run in my sleep.

This was a Form 1 with a Remington factory barrel swap.

That’s about as sexy as they get right there.

I’ve tossed around the idea as well now that I’m able to NFA and have experienced how easy the process has become. You’re absolutely correct on functionality as well. It would be the perfect house/farm/ATV/etc tool. Everything you need, nothing you don’t. All in one handy package.

I inherited an extra 870 recently that I have no use for, and when the news about the upcoming changes came down, I knew instantly that I was going to SBS it. I plan to find whatever is the cheapest plain barrel I can find and cut it down to 14".

I picked up a Remington Model 11 a few months ago that's a joy to shoot, and when I told my uncle about it, he sent me a photo of a newspaper clipping from the late 40's with a picture of my grandfather and another Buffalo PD patrolman holding up some guns they seized off some guys who robbed a restaurant. My grandfather is holding a sawed-off A5. There's tons of pictures of them from that era, and I've had the unreasonable urge for one since. I'll probably find some beater Model 11 or Savage 720 to do the deed. Not my photo, shamelessly stolen, but this is some old school cool. Tell me it's not! You'd be wrong:


As for what I'd do with them? Have them, most likely. I have guns I've justified and guns I just wanted. I'm sure one or the other would end up being the knock-around house gun here and there. I've always thought a short, handy shotgun would be nice to have.

Carried a factory 14” 870 on boardings when I was in the Coast Guard. Qualifying with full house slugs sucked, but it was only 10 slugs 10 buckshot.

I use a 18” mossberg for HDand will likely SBS a shockwave I bought last year once the new rules come into play in January

[Because I don't know better yet] Where is the line between "this length is okay" and "this length needs NFA paperwork?"

I saw a couple of original Remington 14" barrels on GB this morning, and that's got me curious.

The minimum legal length for a shotgun barrel is 18". Anything under is a NFA SBS.

EXCEPT the Cool Guys played word games with the regs and brought us the Shockwave and Tac 14 which are legal because of the legal definitions they avoid.
Probably what those loose 14" barrels are for, that or a AGE weapon.

18. Got it. Thank you.


So when the 14" barrel listing says "No FFL required," is that -- as you mention -- because they're for The TAC14 and such, or because there's no issue possessing a 14" barrel that's not attached to something?

(I've got a lot of learning to do.)

Possessing the barrel isn’t technically illegal as long as you don’t put it on the shotgun. If it starts as a shotgun, legally, it’s always a shotgun. Same with rifles. If it starts as a “firearm,” it can have the shorter barrel, but not a stock unless you file to “construct a short barrel shotgun.” Again, same as rifles.

Now, days past, they could and did go after guys for “constructive intent.” Storing the shorter barrel barrel with or near or readily accessible to the shotgun you want to put it on could land you a charge. With the NFA changes coming, you’re probably fine buying the barrel and storing it at the other end of the house from the shotgun and boxed up. Nobody is going to come checking anyways unless you do something else to invite a warrant and search of your home. I know of people who filed their Form 1’s and just went ahead and built the damn thing while the paperwork was pending. Don’t do that.

I bough the 10” barrel for my PS90 well in advance of filling the Form 1, I just kept the gun in the safe and the barrel in the package in a bin in the garage. I was t worried about it. Figured on the very remote chance anyone asked, I’d say it was something I had waiting for a pending Form 1 build. Having other legal NFA stuff probably would’ve helped my case. In any event, probably a non-issue.

The 14” complete guns are “firearms” not pistols or shotguns. They pass the sniff test because they are over 26” in OAL meaning they’re not short based on the definition of the NFA. They are over 26” because they use a Raptor birds head grip; changing to a vertical pistol grip would shorten them and make them subject to NFA controls and a tax stamp.

It’s part of the confusing morass that is ATF interpretations of multiple gun laws and doctrine.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
The minimum legal length for a shotgun barrel is 18". Anything under is a NFA SBS.

Anyone know why they decided shotgun barrels had to be 18" minimum length but rifles can be 16"?

Wish they'd bring shotguns to 16" as well... That'd be a nice sweet spot.

I'll probably SBS my Mossberg 590 after the $200 drops off next year.

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Originally posted by m499:
Anyone know why they decided shotgun barrels had to be 18" minimum length but rifles can be 16"?

Originally rifles were 18" also, but then the government had a huge surplus of M1 carbines they wanted to sell on the civilian market and began doing so. Apparently someone realized this was an NFA violation and it was just deemed easier to change the law and sell the M1 carbines. At least, that's the version I've heard.

Remington Tac 14 barrels shoot well enough for their intended use(s).

My 12ga & 20ga barrels w/ 700 rifle sights are threaded for Rem choke tubes to extend their usefulness.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I inherited an extra 870 recently that I have no use for, and when the news about the upcoming changes came down, I knew instantly that I was going to SBS it. I plan to find whatever is the cheapest plain barrel I can find and cut it down to 14".

I picked up a Remington Model 11 a few months ago that's a joy to shoot, and when I told my uncle about it, he sent me a photo of a newspaper clipping from the late 40's with a picture of my grandfather and another Buffalo PD patrolman holding up some guns they seized off some guys who robbed a restaurant. My grandfather is holding a sawed-off A5. There's tons of pictures of them from that era, and I've had the unreasonable urge for one since. I'll probably find some beater Model 11 or Savage 720 to do the deed. Not my photo, shamelessly stolen, but this is some old school cool. Tell me it's not! You'd be wrong:


As for what I'd do with them? Have them, most likely. I have guns I've justified and guns I just wanted. I'm sure one or the other would end up being the knock-around house gun here and there. I've always thought a short, handy shotgun would be nice to have.

Entropy has it all wrong. This is as sexy as they get. Smudge, please tell me your grandpa was wearing a fedora in that photo. That is something you have to do.

Schwarzenegger's plated Ithaca 37 Stakeout in Kindergarten Cop whet my appetite many years ago. Never got around to buying one, though.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I inherited an extra 870 recently that I have no use for, and when the news about the upcoming changes came down, I knew instantly that I was going to SBS it. I plan to find whatever is the cheapest plain barrel I can find and cut it down to 14".

I picked up a Remington Model 11 a few months ago that's a joy to shoot, and when I told my uncle about it, he sent me a photo of a newspaper clipping from the late 40's with a picture of my grandfather and another Buffalo PD patrolman holding up some guns they seized off some guys who robbed a restaurant. My grandfather is holding a sawed-off A5. There's tons of pictures of them from that era, and I've had the unreasonable urge for one since. I'll probably find some beater Model 11 or Savage 720 to do the deed. Not my photo, shamelessly stolen, but this is some old school cool. Tell me it's not! You'd be wrong:


As for what I'd do with them? Have them, most likely. I have guns I've justified and guns I just wanted. I'm sure one or the other would end up being the knock-around house gun here and there. I've always thought a short, handy shotgun would be nice to have.

Entropy has it all wrong. This is as sexy as they get. Smudge, please tell me your grandpa was wearing a fedora in that photo. That is something you have to do.

^^^
I picked up an extra barrel a while ago with the intent of cutting it down and doing an SBS. I just didn’t want to engrave the receiver. If the litigation challenging SBR/SBS guns prevails, I for sure will do it.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:
Entropy has it all wrong. This is as sexy as they get. Smudge, please tell me your grandpa was wearing a fedora in that photo. That is something you have to do.

Indeed, he was lol. I'll see if I can have my uncle send it to my new phone so I can upload it.

I walked into the local today and may have found an ideal candidate for this, actually. It's a Model 11 with the "suicide safety" which I'm seeing they stopped doing around 1928 or so. The finish isn't great and the receiver has some pitting, so it's not the cleanest, most collectible, so I wouldn't feel too bad about having my trust laser engraved real small on the inside lower edge of the receiver by the lifter. I think I'm gonna go back tomorrow and put some money on it. The price is right.

Ran across this video with some relevant commentary.

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We have had the Benelli M1 Super 90s in 14" since the mid 90s. We're trying to sell them soon to get less lethal stuff but we're going to wait till next year so tax stamps will be free and we'll have a budget.
I already have a line of people wanting to buy them. I get first pick. lol

Remember that in a month there will be no $200 stamp. Will your dealer hold it for a month before starting paperwork? Or Message seller and ask him if he will ship it in January if you buy it now and pay today. That would ease the $200 burden quite a bit
Factory LE barrels turn up from time to time AIM Surplus got a supply in I was able to grab a few and then they were gone. Been months, have not seen one.
I made my own as I had about (4) 12 ga 870 laying around picked up cheap over the years. One is set up with 870 police furniture. I may build another when stamps are free for a MCS clone but with longer barrel. Go price MCS parts. Yikes

I’m watching a couple of OEM 14” barrels on GB. They start at “affordable” and end up at “nuts."