I've read that the Police models were built "heavier".

Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

I can't imagine a standard 870 to be frail.

Examples would be trigger housings made of metal(aluminum I think) instead of plastic. Tool steel extractors instead of MIM.
Probably other parts made with a higher quality material.
Others will know more than me. Also probably videos and other info on the net.

I hope this helps: https://thefiringline.com/foru...wthread.php?t=469921

I bought a regular 870 receiver, it’s an 870, not gonna overthink it.

It’ll never get shot enough to fail.

Police magnums are a good bit “heavier” duty, but like you said… if it’s not going to be abused you’d likely never wear it out. I picked up a lightly used LEO, 870 Police Magnum and SBS’d it. I’d like to get a Vang Comp treated barrel for it sometime.

Dry-Fly - Am I correct in stating (actually asking) that to SBS a shotgun you follow the same NFA process as any other NFA item but the cost is $10.00 instead of $200.00? Thanks Mark

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Originally posted by sigarmsp226:
Dry-Fly - Am I correct in stating (actually asking) that to SBS a shotgun you follow the same NFA process as any other NFA item but the cost is $10.00 instead of $200.00? Thanks Mark

It’s $200 to make anything.

Here's another discussion, ten years old but including a statement from
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION:

https://rem870.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=601

Probably things have changed ...

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Originally posted by sigarmsp226:
Dry-Fly - Am I correct in stating (actually asking) that to SBS a shotgun you follow the same NFA process as any other NFA item but the cost is $10.00 instead of $200.00? Thanks Mark

You are thinking of an “AOW” or Any Other Weapon. To “manufacture” a SBS, SBR, or a suppressor for that matter you file a Form 1 and pay the atf $200.

I personally don't like the express models and my personal favorites are the old Wingmasters, Police models and the pre-express Magnum shotguns. There is a noticeable difference in the quality of the receivers and smoothness. The fit and finish is worlds better than the Express HD models.

I rebuilt a Wingmaster from the 70's and restored a Ohio National guard 870 Wingmaster. They are fantastic shotguns!

Here's the ONG shotgun.

Pre-restoration


Post-restoration


My 1974 Wingmaster rebuilt into a riot shotgun. I upgraded it with a Police barrel, a Police shell lift carrier and a Police bolt assembly. I also modified the ejector to work with magnum shells since it was made for 2-3/4 shells only. Now it works with magnums too.


I still need to upgrade the bolt and carrier on the ONG restoration shotgun with the flex-tab upgrades that prevent jams which occurred in older 870's which used to require the removal of the trigger group to clear stuck shells between the bottom of the bolt and carrier. The flex-tab allows the shooter to work the bolt and slide to overcome the jam.

Once that's done, it's combat reliable.

Tony.

All of the stuff here is spot on. I'll add that were I buying a shotgun at the current time I would happily buy an old Remington but I would not buy a new one. The quality of their last ones before they went bust was terrible. YMMV.

I picked up a used police department 870 Police Magnum a couple of years before Remington was run into the ground. It was pretty neglected but I was able to sand blast off the rust (inside & out. no pitting). Found a NIW PM trigger group & a NIW PM bolt & carrier. Added a new mag tube & spring, cerakoted it & a couple of other "addons." Were I to need another it would only be a Police Magnum from the old days.

Definitely recommend the older Police Magnum (do not know what about current production models). The one we owned had a good feel and smooth action. It was my late wife's favorite.

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Originally posted by benny6:
Here's the ONG shotgun.

What's the device at the muzzle end? Is that a huge clamp for the magazine extension?

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by benny6:
Here's the ONG shotgun.

What's the device at the muzzle end? Is that a huge clamp for the magazine extension?

Bayonet lug.

Also, the express and civilian versions have dimples in the mag tube to prevent an extended magazine tube from functioning. Those dimples can be knocked out or sanded down though.

Nice shotguns Tony!

Thanks! Here's my mint condition 1986 vintage Remington 870 MAGNUM with rifle sights...

This shotgun looks like it just came off the rack at Big 5. I've only shot it once and I don't have the heart to change anything about it. It's such a beautiful shotgun! I'd say this thing has less than 30 rounds through it as I bought it perhaps unfired from the previous owner for about $450.







I bought the ONG 870 for $299 from Sportsman's outdoor superstore. They lasted about an hour before selling out. I only wish the bayonet clamp was the blade style front sight instead of the bead. I believe this was the Air Force configuration and the blade was the Marine Corps configuration.

I still need to buy a proper bayonet for it.

Not my shotgun, but here's a picture with the proper bayonet for what I have.



Tony.

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Originally posted by benny6:
Not my shotgun, but here's a picture with the proper bayonet for what I have.

Thank you, and M1Garandy too.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
I've read that the Police models were built "heavier".

Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

I can't imagine a standard 870 to be frail.

Incorrect. An 870 receiver is an 870 receiver is an 870 receiver. Express, magnum, wing master, police, all the same receiver.

Now at certain times in Remington's history, some receivers received more attention to detail and more polishing and fitment, but the base recievers were the same.

Any 870 is the same as any other 870. The only differences are furniture and finish, along with the stamping.

At one time there was difference with the 870Ps having metal trigger housings but today, they all come with plastic.