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Friends don't let friends shoot Wolf

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May 08, 2017, 03:45 PM
Georgeair
Friends don't let friends shoot Wolf
Or "How to jam up a client's new rifle in one easy step!"

While loading up a bunch of magazines to take to a client outing where I was in charge of various firearms for entertainment I pulled a couple of older boxes of Wolf .223 I'd set aside a few years again and figured what the heck, good time to get rid of this.

FF to us shooting at one of client/owners farm and a new owner picks up one of my mags by mistake and starts shooting it. About 6 rounds in it jams. Not sure if fired/unfired but pretty sure it was locked up out of battery loading a round. Charging handle is jammed, forward assist gets nothing, banging stock on ground still nothing. It is well and good locked up. He's taking it back to the guy who built it for him to disassemble, and I told him to let me know the tab, and that the guy was going to pull that gray case out and say "What is THIS shit!?"

In an example of karma being a bitch, mine failed to eject 5 minutes later leaving a spent case hanging out in the barrel. I'm far from home with no tools, so just packed that up too.

Dammit.



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May 08, 2017, 04:05 PM
Il Cattivo
Chrome lined chambers? Polymer coated steel cases?
May 08, 2017, 04:08 PM
Jus228
Some rifles are just picky. I've shot thousands of rounds of wolf including the old laquer coated stuff in 4 different ARs and never once had an issue with it.


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May 08, 2017, 05:29 PM
PGT
Never had an issue with any Wolf I've bought whether steel-cased 45acp or brass 22LR match ammo.
May 08, 2017, 05:54 PM
Jus228
quote:
Originally posted by PGT:
Never had an issue with any Wolf I've bought whether steel-cased 45acp or brass 22LR match ammo.


I believe the .22LR is made by Eley somewhere in western Europe.


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May 08, 2017, 06:11 PM
jbcummings
I'll shoot it in my AK, but not in anything else. Certainly not in my LWRC.


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May 08, 2017, 07:02 PM
lyman
quote:
Originally posted by Jus228:
quote:
Originally posted by PGT:
Never had an issue with any Wolf I've bought whether steel-cased 45acp or brass 22LR match ammo.


I believe the .22LR is made by Eley somewhere in western Europe.



22 match target and match extra are made by SK (in Germany IIRC)



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May 08, 2017, 07:40 PM
ARman
quote:
Originally posted by Jus228:
quote:
Originally posted by PGT:
Never had an issue with any Wolf I've bought whether steel-cased 45acp or brass 22LR match ammo.


I believe the .22LR is made by Eley somewhere in western Europe.



SK Jagd, that's who makes the Wolf Performance Ammo .22LR ammo. Damn good stuff it is. The Wolf Performace Ammo ammo is no different than the SK Jagd, made in Germany.

When I was shooting Small bore I shot hundreds of thousands of them both. As good or better than Eley Tenx and cheaper.

As for other Wolf Performance Ammo, I have shot a ton of the .223 Remington, 9X19mm and .40 S&W. I never had any problems with any of it. Not the most accurate, and surely not clean burning, but it let me shoot more and had acceptable accuracy for what I was doing.


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May 08, 2017, 07:46 PM
Sig209
Everything I have read about Wolf Gold 5.56 (brass cased) says the ammo is highly GTG.

I agree on the steel case ammo though - I steer clear.

If I have to economize it's PRVI, PMC, American Eagle, etc.

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May 08, 2017, 08:10 PM
Jus228
The Wolf 22 fooled me then. It smells exactly like Eley when fired. Big Grin

Wolf gold is another example of outside sourcing. Made in Taiwan and is excellent M193 clone even though they call it .223. Love the stuff.


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May 08, 2017, 11:33 PM
JonDaddy82
Shit, I shoot Tula and Wolf gray garbage all the time at rifle matches, even with my SCAR 16. Any of the close stages where all the shots are inside of 40-50 yards, I shoot the crap. 50-350 gets brass of some kind or Wolf Gold. Never really had a problem outside of the occasional dud, and a quick rack of the handle solves that problem.


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May 09, 2017, 04:11 AM
CandyMan.45
Between Wolf & Tula steel across 3-4 platforms, a little over 7k rounds and no issues...
May 09, 2017, 07:48 AM
fritz
quote:
Originally posted by Jus228:
The Wolf 22 fooled me then. It smells exactly like Eley when fired.

To my nose Wolf smells noticeably different than Eley.

Wolf 22lr is made in the same factory, and on the same machines, as SK. SK is part of the Nammo Group, which also owns Vihtavuori powders and Lapua. It's my understanding that Vihtavuori powder is used in all Lapua, SK, and Wolf 22lr ammo. Across most of the Lapua/SK/Wolf lines, I can't smell the difference in what I'm shooting. The one difference is their biathlon ammo, which does have a slightly difference scent to me.

Eley is a different group, based out of the UK. Eley is very tight lipped about their powder type, however there is no way they would use their primary competitor's powders. None of the Eley ammo I've shot smells like any of the Nammo Group ammo. Eley's top of the line match ammo smells slightly different than their value-line products.

For the money, Wolf's 22lr ammo is one of the best out there.

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Wolf's 223/5.56 ammo isn't in the same league. It's dirty, it's not very accurate, and its bi-metal bullets will cause premature barrel wear. When forced to shoot lacquered-steel-case bimetal-bullet ammo in my carbine during close quarter training drills, Wolf caused no issues in my AR-15.

Not my first choice, but my carbine doesn't have issues with Wolf.
May 09, 2017, 08:59 AM
flesheatingvirus
quote:
Originally posted by Jus228:
Some rifles are just picky. I've shot thousands of rounds of wolf including the old laquer coated stuff in 4 different ARs and never once had an issue with it.


Same here, though it was definitely messier.


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May 09, 2017, 10:32 AM
pedropcola
I shoot wolf all the time. It is cheap and barrels are wear items. Do the math.

If your rifle doesn't hiccup it isn't a problem. My main shooter is a 6920 barrel/bolt and it eats it like candy. And I don't clean it much, never had an issue. Ever.

Anecdotal but there it is.
May 09, 2017, 06:58 PM
ed308
The accuracy of Wolf .223/5.56 ammo turns me off. And it's dirty so I need to clean my rifles that shoot it more often.
May 09, 2017, 07:17 PM
JoKer86
No problems with Wolf or Tula here. Mostly AKs though. However, never EVER buy this JUNK:

https://www.midwayusa.com/prod...al-jacket-steel-case

Winchester forged. Horrible, horrible stuff.


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May 09, 2017, 07:47 PM
StorminNormin
I will only put Wolf in my AKs.




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May 09, 2017, 08:37 PM
Killer Instincts
Only jam my AUG A3 ever had was with steel-case Wolf. I find one is better off searching for good deals on quality ammo, just buying in bulk.




May 10, 2017, 01:10 PM
Expert308
I picked up two 1000 rd cans of Wolf steel several years ago, the older stuff that's laquer coated. One can of 55gr ball and one of 62gr HP. I shot about half of it before I read that it can cause problems. I didn't have any jams with it, but I did stop using it after that.