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non ducor, duco
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I purchased a preban AR that I can contact the manufacturer for a statement of preban authenticity in order to register it in my state. That is a requirement that I have to fulfill in CT, the atf wont sbr without the registration letter.

So now I am needing to apply for SBR and I am confused. I have a trust from heavy D here on the forms that I purchased suppressors with and did not have to do all these different forms.

Does anyone know of a service that I can pay a fee and they handle all this.




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Posts: 4550 | Location: CT | Registered: October 15, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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If you have a good FFL that sells and handles NFA items, I would try them first. I have an FFL that will fingerprint, do the paperwork, and store items if needed (to negate possible constructive intent) for $100. All I have to do is bring it to the sheriff for sign off which usually takes 2 days for repeat customers and a week for first time buyers.


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Posts: 1923 | Location: Middle-TN | Registered: November 05, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Things changed a while back WRT Trusts and the paperwork req'd for NFA regulated items. If your previous Form 4's req'd less paperwork, it's due to the ATF 41-F rule changes affecting Trusts (effective July 2016), which resulted in the new requirement for a 'Responsible Persons Questionnaire' w/ Fingerprint Cards and Passport Photos, as well as the Local LEO notification requirement. Just FYI - There is NO sign off requirement from the Local LEO, as it is purely a notification. You are NOT req'd to obtain an LEO signature/approval on ANY form. If there are any issues, the LEO will contact ATF, NOT you!

The Form 1 to SBR your newly acquired 'preban' AR isn't much different than a Form 4, with the exception that you are now the 'maker' of the SBR, so you're filling out that form from scratch instead of transferring the info from the Form 3 as would be typical for a Form 4 submission. The only info/data that you need to generate on your own, is the Barrel Length (Box 4e) and OAL (Box 4f), which is described in Instruction 2.k of the form. This data will be dependent on your selected Barrel Length for your SBR. Everything else (Original Manufacturer, Type Caliber, S/N, etc does NOT change from the existing Firearm markings/data. The only other requirement is to engrave the receiver with the Trust Name and City, State.

I don't know of any specific 'service' other than contacting your local SOT for assistance here. That said, there are plenty of resources online/youtube to guide you through the process. The only thing that a little nebulous for a Form 1 eFile/eForm, is the submission of the 'hard copy' Fingerprint Cards, which are filed separately from the Form 1.

Hope this was helpful....Good Luck Wink


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Posts: 4657 | Location: New Hampshire | Registered: October 29, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I have done a few and I always go over the ar15.com and find the walk through thread and just take my time and do everything needed. Its easy, its just a pain in the ass.

I found this link awhile back, check it out.

Form 1 Guide


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Thanks guys, hoping to get it done with this info. Just dont want to get denied for a clerical error.




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They won't deny you for a clerical error on the paperwork. They will send it back to you to fix it.

This happened to me once. I want to say everything was approved a week after sending it back.
 
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Originally posted by walker77:
They won't deny you for a clerical error on the paperwork. They will send it back to you to fix it.

This happened to me once. I want to say everything was approved a week after sending it back.


False.
I had some stupid error on mine.
They straight up rejected it and told me to go to the back of the line.

It seems to be hit or miss depending on who you get.
Maybe my guy had a bad day or something...





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When I SBR’d my Scar I forgot to sign it. I usually try and forget about NFA items and it was exactly a year later when I started wondering what happened. I emailed some guy that folks say to email and he responded in 10 mins and with 11 mins I had my stamp. I kept email so I can dig up his name etc. if anyone needs it.


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Posts: 3524 | Location: Winston Salem, N.C. | Registered: May 30, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The way to do SBR Form 1s is via the eForms site. I do not believe that somebody else can do an eForm 1 "for" you. You could have somebody complete a paper form, but the transfer time will be much longer (probably 6+ months versus 30-45 days).
 
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We do it. Give my office a call.


H. Dean Phillips
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You'll be in great hands with heavyd.


My first one was done with the help of the dealer.
Everything else after that I did myself. The instructions on AR15.com were great. I'm 5 out of 5.
I would have been 6 for 6 but the ATF made us return our guns to IMI. I already had my paperwork submitted. Broke my heart. Frown


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Posts: 3734 | Location: Mississippi | Registered: August 09, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I would have been 6 for 6 but the ATF made us return our guns to IMI. I already had my paperwork submitted. Broke my heart. Frown

Care to expand on this...Inquiring minds want to know Wink


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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I would have been 6 for 6 but the ATF made us return our guns to IMI. I already had my paperwork submitted. Broke my heart. Frown

Care to expand on this...Inquiring minds want to know Wink


Looks like IMI took full auto guns and just dropped in semi auto parts. The 3rd pin was the issue regardless of what they did. It was tough to send it back but the idea of prison time didn't sit well. Smile

Here is a video from the Military Arms Channel from back in the day that explains what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e68cFD_hmo


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Originally posted by creslin:
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Originally posted by walker77:
They won't deny you for a clerical error on the paperwork. They will send it back to you to fix it.

This happened to me once. I want to say everything was approved a week after sending it back.


False.
I had some stupid error on mine.
They straight up rejected it and told me to go to the back of the line.

It seems to be hit or miss depending on who you get.
Maybe my guy had a bad day or something...



as an SOT , I have had plenty sent back, w/o cancellation, due to Trust issues (buyer not giving me the correct info, etc) or other simple typo's,


some have come back as quick as a week after the reply sent in, one took another 2 months,,



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I have a trust from heavyd, but was thinking of inddividual. Someone told me trust takes too long and individual is much faster.

I would prefer the trust so my nephew can use and easily take possession when I die.




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1) What rifle are you going to SBR?
2) Have you considered going the "Other" route?

CT has very confusing gun laws. Feel free to contact me directly.
 
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Originally posted by Nickelsig229:
I have a trust from heavyd, but was thinking of inddividual. Someone told me trust takes too long and individual is much faster.

I would prefer the trust so my nephew can use and easily take possession when I die.


No brainer, go Trust.


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1) What rifle are you going to SBR?
2) Have you considered going the "Other" route?

CT has very confusing gun laws. Feel free to contact me directly.


I have a few unregistered pre bans 2 suppressors and a bunch of pistols.

I dont really like the others because i want to accessorize as i see fit. Having said that I am shopping for a Kalashnikov komrad.

I have no kids and my nephew is my guy, so i started a trust so he can legally posses my guns. I am worried if the trust route on the sbr takes to long some federal legislation might preempt my joy. But the trust is my preference.




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Originally posted by Nickelsig229:
I have a trust from heavyd, but was thinking of inddividual. Someone told me trust takes too long and individual is much faster.

I would prefer the trust so my nephew can use and easily take possession when I die.


There is no time difference. Submit using your trust without worry.


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Originally posted by SIGfourme:
1) What rifle are you going to SBR?
2) Have you considered going the "Other" route?

CT has very confusing gun laws. Feel free to contact me directly.



Enail sent to you, just a heads up incase it goes to spam.




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