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Looking for .223 rifle options

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November 20, 2018, 09:56 AM
Swordknives
Looking for .223 rifle options
Like the title says im looking for a new rifle in .223. I have several ARs and I’m just looking for something a bit different. Right now the newer Mini-14s has my eye but if there is something else you think I should be looking at I’m happy to look.

Requirements:
Shoots .223/5.56
Straight stock no thumb hole or pistol grips
Semi auto
Iron sights
Ability to add a scope a bonus
Less than $800 new or used


Thoughts?


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November 20, 2018, 11:42 AM
DSgrouse
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-long-ranger/



Browning blr
https://www.guns.com/news/revi...-action-rifle-in-223


mosberg mvp
https://www.mossberg.com/categ...vp-varmint-predator/


cz 527 223
http://www.shootingtimes.com/e...iews_cz_0728/100427#
November 20, 2018, 11:45 AM
sigfreund
quote:
Originally posted by Swordknives:
Requirements:
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Semi auto


I have no recommendations, but that narrows the selections quite a bit.




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November 20, 2018, 11:48 AM
DSgrouse
I saw the semi auto also. The issue is, finding a semi auto under 800 that is not an AR is hard. Finding something that is supported even harder. I saw several sig 556's that were 800 this summer in portland. Simply 0 support. You might find a bren, but new IIRC is well over 800. So I opted to post ideas that most folks don't think to look at. Lever and bolt predator guns. While not fast slinging they tend to be more accurate than a 500 dollar ar 15.
November 20, 2018, 11:54 AM
sigfreund
quote:
Originally posted by DSgrouse:
The issue is, finding a semi auto under 800 that is not an AR is hard.


I agree, but without mentioning that in your first response my immediate reaction was that you hadn’t read that requirement. Smile




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November 20, 2018, 12:05 PM
1KPerDay
quote:


Straight stock no thumb hole or pistol grips
Make sure you actually mean STRAIGHT STOCK. That REALLY narrows your choices. I can't think of a semi-auto .223 with a straight stock. The henry above is an example of a straight stock.


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November 20, 2018, 12:09 PM
RogueJSK
Let's ignore the $800 price limit for now.

Just a semiauto .223 with a traditional stock is a short enough list:

-Ruger Mini-14
-Keltec SU-16
-Ares SCR (basically an AR with a modified bolt and lower receiver)
-Saiga (no longer imported)
-VEPR Pioneer (most VEPRs came with thumbhole stocks, but Pioneer model had traditional stock; no longer imported)
-Benelli MR1 (some had traditional stock; no longer imported)

There are also a handful of high-end foreign semiauto hunting rifles in .223, but most are no longer imported, and they are/were very pricey. These included the Sauer S303, Volquartsen Evolution, HK SL6/630, or Merkel SR1.


Now, if we add your price range back in, that eliminates all but an older unmodified Saiga, Mini-14, or SU-16.
November 20, 2018, 12:31 PM
Il Cattivo
There are still a few VEPR Pioneers around, but they're not supported anymore, mags are expensive when you can find them (Russia = ban) and Californians have bumped the price up since they're one of the few options that were 'compliant'. The Ruger is probably a better option.
November 20, 2018, 12:53 PM
Dwill104
Think the Ruger Mini-14 and Keltec SU-16 are about the only realistic easily available options.
November 20, 2018, 01:27 PM
DSgrouse
years ago there were a ton of cai imported ak's in 223. I wonder if there are any new ones out there.

Even so, at that point buy another AR.
November 20, 2018, 01:38 PM
RogueJSK
AKs in .223 are still available.

But the OP said no pistol grips. Traditional stocks only. So no AKs or ARs.
November 20, 2018, 05:40 PM
Il Cattivo
Besides, the magazines are an expensive PITA to find.
November 20, 2018, 10:53 PM
Creeping_Death
Remington 7400?


Evaluating volume of fire vs. shot placement effectiveness.
November 21, 2018, 08:33 AM
RogueJSK
quote:
Originally posted by Creeping_Death:
Remington 7400?


The 74 series was never offered in .223. The smallest caliber available is .243.
November 21, 2018, 09:36 AM
Voshterkoff
Valmet Hunter or Saiga?
November 21, 2018, 01:51 PM
Swordknives
Thank you for the replies everyone. Ill take a look at your suggestions.


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November 21, 2018, 05:02 PM
Il Cattivo
Man, I know its more of a PITA for you than anything, but meeting California specs has really become something of an intellectual challenge!
November 21, 2018, 06:02 PM
Wreckless
http://stgeorgearms.com/leader-t2/



The New American Leader T2

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An initial run of 250 is planned, and deliveries are scheduled to begin in Spring 2019.

The MSRP is $1,250, and St George Arms is currently taking 50% deposits.

You can see our “Buy Now” page on GunBroker.com.

For more information, including dealer inquiries, please email info.stgeorgearms@gmail.com


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November 21, 2018, 06:10 PM
smithnsig
Keltec RDB survival model has no pistol grip or thumb hole.


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November 21, 2018, 06:20 PM
fritz
quote:
Originally posted by Wreckless:
The New American Leader T2

The link you posted clearly states "No sales to California."