Seen on arfcom, posted by member VortexSam:

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SHIPPING UPDATE

I'm happy to report that we have just starting shipping UH-1's to retailers. They will trickle out in small quantities to start, but we anticipate things to ramp up over the next several months.

Thanks to everyone for being patient, we really thought these would have shipped sooner, but I think the wait will be worth it!

Is it battery or rechargeable?
It says CR123A, then I read somewhere it says MicroUSB.

guess I'll go to Vortex's website and read the actual description.

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Originally posted by Phelen_Kell:
Is it battery or rechargeable?
It says CR123A, then I read somewhere it says MicroUSB.

Both. If you use CR123s the µUSB port does nothing. If you use rechargeable 16340s (LFP123A, not RCR123), the µUSB port is used for charging.

Vortex can use it for diagnostics, as well.

Hmm. Waiting to see if this is really better than the comparably priced Trijicon MRO.

I have been interested in this. I'll wait a little bit to buy if it turns out to work, but I'm excited that there is another alternative to the EOTech.

I'll be looking for range reports and testing of them. I just don't want to be a beta tester!


ARman

Yeah, after having to return my PST Gen 2 1-6x24 for illumination issues, I'll wait and see. To their credit, Vortex fixed the issue with a new scope, but still.

Assuming I can get this for 350 dollars, is it worth it? Has anyone shot one? I have two new ar's that need red dots

With a $700 MSRP, it better be made in the states, Germany, Israel, or Switzerland for that price. Made in China at that price? No thanks.

It has been reported as "Made in the USA", as Vortex is manufacturing several models of optics in the states now, as opposed to only importing from Japan, PI, and China.

With a $700 MSRP it should sell for mid-$500s.

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Originally posted by cmr076:
Assuming I can get this for 350 dollars, is it worth it? Has anyone shot one? I have two new ar's that need red dots

I don't know as you're going to see them for $350 anytime soon. Street price is estimated to be $500. I got a 10% off code at OP and paid $450, which was my upper limit.

As to whatever it goes for being "worth it": Only you can judge that. As for me: Red dots simply don't work well, now that I have a touch of astigmatism. It's still a problem with HWS', but, not quite as bad.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
With a $700 MSRP, it better be made in the states, ...

Except for part of the holographic system, which is made in England, it is made entirely in the U.S. This is an "AMG" series optic. Their high-end stuff.

If I need an eotech reticle(which I prefer) I'll get an eotech. The fov on these doesn't look much bigger than a t1. The Sig romeo4 is the size of a t1, has the eotech reticle, cost half as much and I haven't heard of any issues with them yet, including the few i own.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
If I need an eotech reticle(which I prefer) I'll get an eotech. The fov on these doesn't look much bigger than a t1.

I believe these have the same FOV as an EOTech and, since there's no shroud, less view obscured by the housing.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
The Sig romeo4 is the size of a t1, has the eotech reticle, cost half as much and I haven't heard of any issues with them yet, including the few i own.

It's also a RDS, not an HWS. There is mild alteration of the sight picture (it's unavoidable with an RDS) and, for some with astigmatism, an HWS works better than an RDS.

If the Romeo 4 series is working for you: Great. Believe me: I would not be spending what I am on one of these if a Romeo 4M would have done me.

I wasn't directing my comment directly at you. Just a general statement. I understand an hws may be more beneficial to some. Even with the known issues eotech has had, it would still be my fist choice. They have proven probably more than any other optic outside of an acog or m series ampoint. I had half a dozen eotech sights and never had an issue. One of them was constantly exposed to 115+ degrees of Arizona heat riding in a jeep. Never an issue with any of them.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
I wasn't directing my comment directly at you. Just a general statement.

My response was intended to be in the same vein.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
I understand an hws may be more beneficial to some.

In my particular case: I tried a Romeo 4B and an Trijicon MRO in a store. The MRO, in particular, "starred" terribly to my eye.

Now it may be that if I'd chosen a target and focused on that, instead of the dot, that might have (mostly?) gone away. Some say it will.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
Even with the known issues eotech has had, it would still be my fist choice.

I cannot get past those issues. Can't trust them.

And they don't seem to be moving forward. All they appear to be doing is re-inventing the wheel they already have, in smaller packages.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
They have proven probably more than any other optic outside of an acog or m series ampoint. I had half a dozen eotech sights and never had an issue. One of them was constantly exposed to 115+ degrees of Arizona heat riding in a jeep. Never an issue with any of them.

There are plenty of people who have experienced the same, just as there are plenty who did experience those issues.

The door would eventually close (as it did), so I jumped. Sometimes I mildly regret my decision (sent the two I had back). Other times not.

I'm disinclined to buy another.

Sorry I did not respond earlier. Lost track of the thread. Following-up now to report I've cancelled my back-order with Optics Planet. Reasons:

• They're telling customers that pre-ordered as early as December they won't see product until August.
  
• Meanwhile others have ordered from other sites and have their optics
  
• Preliminary reports are not encouraging, in my opinion. The sight seems to be quite "sensitive" to ambient light levels, wrt to the reticle being either too dim or blown-out.
  

Given the cost and size of the device, which made it marginal, for me, in the first place: I added it all up and decided "nope."

I see the Sig Romeo 4M street price has gone up I guess that was predictable. That's out, now.

I may just say "screw it" and buy a Holosun HS503GU. At less than half the price of every other RDS and HWS on the market, and free shipping via Amazon Prime, it'd be a cheap way to see if an RDS would work for me in practice. If not: I could probably resell it w/o being out too too much.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
The Sig romeo4 is the size of a t1, has the eotech reticle, cost half as much and I haven't heard of any issues with them yet, including the few i own.

It's also a RDS, not an HWS. There is mild alteration of the sight picture (it's unavoidable with an RDS) and, for some with astigmatism, an HWS works better than an RDS.

is RDS vs HWS the reason for the nearly 4x weight differences listed on the two manufacturers websites between the Romeo 4 and vortex UH? or is sig not including the mount in the weight since it comes with 2 options...

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WARPIG602:
They have proven probably more than any other optic outside of an acog or m series ampoint. I had half a dozen eotech sights and never had an issue. One of them was constantly exposed to 115+ degrees of Arizona heat riding in a jeep. Never an issue with any of them.

There are plenty of people who have experienced the same, just as there are plenty who did experience those issues.

Its funny that in all those years I never heard of anyone saying they had an issue, I don't even know that there was an issue with the 511/512 series. It wasnt until the suit that all of a sudden "everyone new someone" who had a problem. Sadly, no one took advantage of the downfall to capitalize on the reticle which was a huge selling point to me. An MRO with EOTech reticle would do well.

As it is, I still trust Eotech more than I would Vortex. Time may change that but I'll take my chances with Eotech as they are actually a combat proven optic.

PS, if you want to try a Romeo shoot me an email and I'll let you try one to see if it will work for you.

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Originally posted by PorterN:

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
The Sig romeo4 is the size of a t1, has the eotech reticle, cost half as much and I haven't heard of any issues with them yet, including the few i own.

It's also a RDS, not an HWS. There is mild alteration of the sight picture (it's unavoidable with an RDS) and, for some with astigmatism, an HWS works better than an RDS.

is RDS vs HWS the reason for the nearly 4x weight differences listed on the two manufacturers websites between the Romeo 4 and vortex UH? or is sig not including the mount in the weight since it comes with 2 options...

Not sure on that, I'll weight them this evening. Even then, the mounts are likely 2-4oz depending on which one you use.

Ive been starting to weigh all my optics and mounts. I find myself buying mounts now just so I can record their weight for future refernce.

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Originally posted by WARPIG602:
PS, if you want to try a Romeo shoot me an email and I'll let you try one to see if it will work for you.

Thanks very much for the offer, but the Romeo I'd want to get, the 4M, got too expensive, IMO.

They will work for me. I've looked through them at my LGS. Not as well as a HWS, but better than an MRO.

Anyway, for now I just went ahead and bought a Holosun HS503GU off Amazon. That plus the AD QD mount came to only $312.

It'll do (I hope) until the optic I want at a price I can justify comes along.

I wonder what the battery life with a regular CR123 will be? I went to Aimpoints mostly because I can leave them on and change the batteries every couple years. With EoTech's it seemed like every time I made it to the range with one the batteries were dead.

Hopefully the UH-1 has improved battery life over an EoTech. If it does it might be a winner.....dj