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I have Harris, Atlas, and Bobro, I give Atlas a slight edge over the Bobro. | |||
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That's a little short sighted (pun intended) on your part. It works well on an angle, can be used from a hanging position I.e.; overhead support via para cord, etc. I also own Atlas, Versa, and Vltor bipods. Of those, I like the Atlas best. ******************************************** "On the other side of fear you will always find freedom" | |||
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_________________________________________________________________________________________________ It is my experience that a bipod will never take the place of a proper bench rest. I have never used a bipod on any rifle that did not effect the zero. One that mounts like on a sling swivel stud on the forend of the stock will be much better than one that in any way attaches to the barrell. I think of a bipod as only being "field expedient", that is you use it when you don't have anything else. It is great if you want to go to the prone, but if you are sitting at a bench, I would never use it. When I have used a bipod "off the bench" on a conventionally stocked rifle, attached to a sling swivel button, I've had groups open up two inches at a hundred yards as compared to a bench rest. When I've used the built in bipod on my FN FAL, I was shooting quarter size groups at 100 yards from a bench rest, set it on the bipod and it was not even close. I'd rethink why I wanted to use a bipod "off the bench." _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ "If you think everything's going to be alright, you don't understand the problem!"- Gutpile Charlie "A man's got to know his limitations" - Harry Callahan | |||
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Look at the attached Snipers Hide training video on different shooting positions and their effects on rifle zero. The shooter is Jacob Bynum -- owner of Rifles Only school and arguably one of the best rifle trigger pullers anywhere. shooting positions When using a bipod changes your point of impact or your accuracy, something is amiss. Could be your eye position isn't in the right place in your optics/sights, which means parallax is coming into play. Could be you're not controlling bipod hop. Could be you're not square behind the rifle and not controlling recoil. Jacob Bynum has demonstrated the concepts of this video live in courses I've attended. There were students who believed their rifles were different, and thus different supported positions changed their accuracy and/or zero. Jacob had other instructors and the better students get behind the guns in question -- and proved that the nut behind the butt was the issue, not the gun or what it's attached to or supported by. | |||
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But I thought you liked your 6.5CM. Are you already willing to give it up? | |||
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My Atlas bipod really ruined these groups.   Sandbags are fine, but there isn't anything wrong with bipods, either. | |||
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Methinks that your experience with bipods is extremely limited, possibly to just Harris-type bipods at that. Such bipod have a tendency to bounce and twist if your form is not good when resting on a solid surface. Or maybe you were using the bipod that fritz praised so eloquently; his Tapco Vertical Grip Bipod that he bought for $34.99 at Cabela's. He even earned points on his Cabela's charge card. Sadly, he did not say how many points he earned. | |||
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You're shooting low, add a couple clicks up. :-) | |||
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Heh. I was doing ammo testing that day, I shot targets with and without a suppressor for several different loads. I didn't zero between changes because I was just looking for consistency. | |||
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Nevertheless, you shot low. :-) It reminds me of a guy a few months back who was shooting F-class (I don't remember if he was using fritz's favorite bipod, I was in the pits pulling his target.) He shot a nice group at 600 yards, only problem was it was in the 8 ring. For some reason he didn't adjust his sights either. | |||
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Yeah, yeah.  At the end of the day I shot a target at 300 and actually dialed in the adjustments. Either I didn't shoot as well or the wind was acting up (or both), but they're mostly pretty well centered.  Based on my limited knowledge of F-Class, I don't think the Atlas is the ideal bipod for F-Class, but it's pretty nice in the field (this is a sub-9 pound rifle I had built to comply with hunter-class silhouette rules, that I also actually hunt with). | |||
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I really like my BT Atlas but there's really nothing wrong with Harris. Got four of 'em of varying function and sizes. And unlike the Atlas they do work great with sling studs and wood stocks. Pretty sure Atlas only plays nice with M1913 rails. But I will admit that I've gotten a finger or two caught up in a Harris, trying to set up too fast or carelessly. Painful just remembering... | |||
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It is slightly kludgy, but you can get Picatinny rail sections that hook onto a sling stud, and Picatinny rail clamps that have a sling stud on them. So it is possible to use a Harris on a rifle with only a rail and an Atlas on a rifle that has only a stud. | |||
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I have such adapters on two or three rifles, but in retrospect if it’s a conventional wood or synthetic stock I decided it would have made more sense to just remove the sling swivel stud and screw on a section of Picatinny rail directly. I finally did that after one stud to rail adapter kept twisting out of position despite the setscrews. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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I haven't used them. On the bolt rifle I use the Atlas bipod on, I have a small Picatinny rail section with a QD socket at one end instead of a sling stud. I just know they're available. | |||
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I installed the Weaver swivel stud to rail adapter on my wood-stocked 22lr rifle recently, so I could use one of my QD mount Atlas bipods. It was a whopping $15 or so investment. The Weaver adapter fits pretty well. Of course the recoil on a 22lr is minimal, and I use minimal forward pressure to weight the bipod, so I'm really not testing the integrity of the Weaver adapter. But it works, and I shoot the 22lr rifle slightly better with an Atlas versus a Harris bipod. | |||
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Atlas, but if funds are low 6-9" Burris swivel bipod. GG&G bipod to big and clumsy Imo. | |||
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KAC has a gem of a bipod. It'll cost the price of a brand new Glock 43, but it absolutely oozes craftsmanship and feels absolutely bombproof. _________________________ An unarmed man can only flee from evil and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it. - Col Jeff Cooper NRA Life Member Long Live the Super Thirty-Eight | |||
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Put a lot of thought into this. Decided on the Accu-Tac SR-5QD Bipod. Build quality is outstanding and great features. Here it is on my LWRC R.E.P.R About $275.  Old School German Sigs,....Quality and Reliability you can consistently depend on, right out of the box. **Remembering 9/11/2001 Celebrating 5/1/2011** OPUS DEI CUM PECUNIA ALIENUM EFFICEMUS | |||
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I don't own a 6.5cm.. I'm an x47 guy, remember? Either way, I could shoot open with it. The current IBS 1000 yard world record is held by an x47, so if it's good enough for them, right? | |||
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