I can't find it listed on Federal's website. Anybody know if it's still available, and if so, who's got some?

Long gone. Years gone.

Too bad. I ran across some videos on it, seemed like pretty good stuff. It outperformed Speer Gold Dot in penetration tests.

Thanks for the info, Para.

Only Winchester loads a +P 9MM 147 grain round currently. Buffalo Bore and Underwood both produce a 147 +P 9MM rounds but are priced accordingly. Speer loads a 135 Gold Dot 9MM round at 1170 FPS for carbine use. I have not seen test barrel length for that. There is a Federal 130 Grain Ball round designed for PCC use at 1140 FPS. Not sure those last two are anywhere near the +P classification.

From what I can find, the HST 147gr +P had a muzzle velocity of 1050 fps and muzzle energy of 360 ft-lbs.

The standard HST 147gr has a muzzle velocity of 1000 fps and muzzle energy of 326 ft-lbs.

I don’t know what test barrel was used, but both of those appear to be factory specs, so apples to apples.

I know more is more, but how significant is that difference?

If it was available, I'd get it for the penetration performance on clothing and (I think) vehicle glass, etc.

Since it's not, I'll stick with the 124gr +P and its 396 ft-lbs.

I've heard of the Winchester load, but haven't seen anything on performance. I'll check for Youtube vids. Thanks for that reminder, Citadel.

Update not +P like everyone is looking for. Sorry


https://www.cheaperthandirt.co...fc-029465094447.html

Per box of 50

Or 1000 rounds
https://www.cheaperthandirt.co...t-jhp-147-grain.html

Some kind of comb pack of target ammo and 147 grain HST Federal

https://www.midwayusa.com/prod...022397831?pid=973108


20 or 200 round packs

https://www.brownells.com/ammu...6f259/?sku=105002491

All very pricey.

Those are the standard-velocity rounds, not +P.

Sorry looked to fast and didn’t notice the +P

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
...Cheaper Than Dirt.

Yeah, I noticed that, too, but since I knew better, and it was the wrong ammo anyway, I let it go.

I almost got suckered in by them years ago. I live close enough to them that I tried to order something for me to pick up, but it seems they didn't want anybody showing up at their offices. I got the hint, and it wasn't long after that incident that they became infamous here.

I decided to Google PSHST4, and it led to Target Sport USA, which had reviews from this year, so I signed up for notification e-mails in case something shows up, since I don't recall any issues with them on SigForum. I'll post any results that show up.

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
By the way, no self-respecting gun owner would ever buy anything from the price-gouging land pirates at Cheaper Than Dirt.

LOL, I read that above and was gonna say: "Wait, those are one of the price gougers screwing folks over which Para posted about years back....." Para got there first. (thanks for the refresher)

(cheaper than dirt, not Midway)

I have three different Sigs that I EDC depending on the season etc. Is it safe to assume that all Sigs will accommodate +P ammo?

Of course most practice would be with regular ammo.

Thanks.

I think you're safe with any Sig, but check the manual. If that doesn't say anything, tell us which Sigs you have. Someone will know.

quote:

Originally posted by newtoSig765:
I think you're safe with any Sig, but check the manual. If that doesn't say anything, tell us which Sigs you have. Someone will know.

Thanks for responding.
My small collection of EDC pistols consists of the following:

226
239
365 XL

Yes, you'll be fine shooting +P in any of them.

^^^
Thanks!