Thank you. Some very good discussion there.

That is an impressive body of knowledge.

Thanks for sharing.

Can't beat common sense and actual data.
Thanks for posting.

I love watching John Correia's ASP on YouTube. Learned a lot.

That was a great read, thanks for posting it.

the one handed weapon manipulation comment is IMO a bit off. In the area where I work, there have been 4 shootings in the lst 10 years where an officer has been hit it the strong hand or arm and has had to transition to weak handed to continue to fight. In one of those, a reload was required.

It is about 3% of total shootings, but we still practice it, just like we still practice shooting a stationary target at 25 yards in daylight with a good backstop, which is exactly zero percent of incidents.

Worth reading, thanks for sharing. I'll add rangemaster to the list of places to seek training from.

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Originally posted by car541:... just like we still practice shooting a stationary target at 25 yards in daylight with a good backstop, which is exactly zero percent of incidents.

I believe that the repetition of these drill re-enforce the gross motor skills of drawing, sighting and operating the firearm to include reloads, so that in the event you are in a shooting situation, you react naturally and automatically, and this leaves you with what is remaining of your "awareness" to focus on other aspects of the engagement.

Given the overwhelming sensory input and decreased ability to process, anything that is "automatic" can help.

I worked with a guy in the USAF who was a simulator tech at Beal AFB on the Blackbird, and he told me that they started introducing "failure conditions" during the middle stage of new pilot training after they were familiar and becoming comfortable, and then increasing the rate and complexity of the problems until "mission failure". He said, the no one can ever fly the profile and "make it out alive", but that the exercise was to condition instinctive reactions and especially learn what to work on that matters most, rather then "solve" each problem as it presents, because things happen at a much faster rate in the SR, and with greater impact, than in many of the types, the guys came from.

So, with the shooting standing targets at 25 yards, may be 0% of encounters, but are almost 100% operating the weapon that you trained with, and that is a large part of the use of force.

I have learned in life that sometimes you learned things you really need, doing things that seem frivolous and wasteful in the moment.

I'll read and watch this report tonight.

^^^
Show me.....wax on/wax off.

Very good information.

I took classes at Rangemaster in Memphis before they moved, and Mr. Givens knows his stuff. We did "gunfights" at the end of one of the more advanced training sessions, with two shooters on separate lanes. Scenario was to drop your grocery bag, draw from concealment, shoot the close perp twice, then sight and shoot the perp's accomplice getting out of his car 25 or so feet away. Each of us had a different bad guy 2 feet from us, but there was only one steel target at the distant marker. First to drop the reactive steel target was the winner and advanced to face another shooter, the loser got to watch from there.

It was impressive how juiced up you could get in that situation, and how being that way affected your reflexes, aim, etc. Very educational stuff.