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~ OpSpec Training - MOAC - Oct. 16 - 20, 2017 - Paducah, Ky. ~

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April 02, 2017, 06:11 PM
steve495
~ OpSpec Training - MOAC - Oct. 16 - 20, 2017 - Paducah, Ky. ~
quote:
Originally posted by alleycat:
I think I read somewhere that we would benefit from having extended mags for this class, but I don't see it anymore. Did I imagine that?


With a total round count of about 3,800, we do suggest 13, 15 or 17 round magazines.

Some of the courses of fire are upwards of 60 rounds, so if you showed up with 10 round magazines, you'd need a lot. You'll get more out of the class with full size magazines.


Steve


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April 02, 2017, 07:15 PM
Mike729
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
Right now, there are 10 slots available.


Jerry, email sent
April 03, 2017, 07:17 AM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by Mike729:
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
Right now, there are 10 slots available.


Jerry, email sent


Back at you and forwarded reply to Steve as well.




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April 12, 2017, 06:01 PM
RNshooter
Any spots still available?

Bruce






"The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams

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-Niccolo Machiavelli

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April 12, 2017, 08:59 PM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by RNshooter:
Any spots still available?

Bruce


Uno




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"It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for them"



April 12, 2017, 11:45 PM
RNshooter
Any legal issues with staying in IL at the Harrah's? They have some decent rates and reviews.
Distance from the range?

Bruce
April 13, 2017, 07:32 AM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by RNshooter:
Any legal issues with staying in IL at the Harrah's? They have some decent rates and reviews.
Distance from the range?

Bruce


Harrah's will be about a 15-20 minute drive, but it will be an easy drive. That time of the morning, rush hour will be over, you'll get on I-24, travel eastbound for about 6 miles, get off at Exit 3, and the range is about 3 miles up Cairo Road on the left.

Easy drive.

Yeah, there are legal concerns about staying in Illinois. But, if you intend to lock up all of your guns when you leave the range, it really won't be an issue. Metropolis PD is pretty cool. I work with those guys weekly on something or other, and they seem to be ok. State Police is another story.




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April 13, 2017, 09:12 AM
RNshooter
Okay, cool.
Email me the discount code for the Courtyard, when you get a second, so I can compare rates.

Slightly less than one spot available, now Wink

Bruce
April 14, 2017, 08:44 AM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by RNshooter:
Okay, cool.
Email me the discount code for the Courtyard, when you get a second, so I can compare rates.

Slightly less than one spot available, now Wink

Bruce


Unless Steve has one, and I completely don't know about it, there isn't a discount code. We just call them, tell them who we are, and they give you a good rate.




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April 14, 2017, 08:45 AM
jljones
UPDATE-

MOAC standards have changed for the year. Some have gotten a little less complex, some have gotten harder.

That is all.




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April 14, 2017, 09:19 AM
dgrdvm
There are standards ?? Oh crap. Now I'm stressing


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George Carlin
April 14, 2017, 04:03 PM
MikeGLI
Couple of goodies came in today.





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April 14, 2017, 04:19 PM
Tgrshrk99
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
UPDATE-

MOAC standards have changed for the year. Some have gotten a little less complex, some have gotten harder.

That is all.


Huh. What have I gotten myself into?
April 14, 2017, 06:07 PM
jljones
Well, ok then.

Yes. There are standards. Each day, you will have a different standard, and it is relevant to the topic of training for the day. For instance, as it isn't used this year, the strong/weak hand day standard has been one bill drill for time strong hand only. One bill drill for time, weak hand only. One failure drill for time strong and weak.

This is timed based upon a formula that the draw is worth X, each shot is worth Y, reloads are worth Z, etc.

You shoot the standard twice in the morning, twice in the evening, and two more times on Friday. To be in the running for King of MOAC, you only have to pass it once. All standards are shot from the seven yard line. Staff has to shoot them at least once per year. I give them the choice of only A box hits, or you can shoot it with the same time and accuracy standards (A/B zone)from the 15. No problems at all.

Don't worry, be happy. I shot the new standards last night, and they aren't bad in the least. I like the strong hand/weak hand standard for this year much better than the above.

Looking at the roll call on who is in this class, a little over half are MOAC Alum, and half of that half is going on their third year. So, last years standards did not kill and eat anyone, so I doubt that will happen this year either. We're in my hood, we will be on a new range off to our self. Good things will be in the air.




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April 16, 2017, 01:45 AM
dgrdvm
Apparently "good things in the air"= a crap ton of flying lead and frags. Ok. Bring on the standards ! Let's do this !


"Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that'
George Carlin
April 18, 2017, 02:54 PM
RNshooter
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:

Unless Steve has one, and I completely don't know about it, there isn't a discount code. We just call them, tell them who we are, and they give you a good rate.


Sent you an email.

Bruce
April 18, 2017, 03:46 PM
steve495
Although Jones did provide a "preferred hotel" in Paducah for those who ask, we do not have a deal with the hotel for a discount.

We have not done this in the past, other than for classes held at SIG SAUER Academy, as they have discounted negotiated rates for their students who take the class at the academy. Those discounted rooms are limited availability and they occasionally run out of rooms at the discounted rate.


Steve


Small Business Website Design & Maintenance - https://spidercreations.net | OpSpec Training - https://opspectraining.com | Grayguns - https://grayguns.com

Evil exists. You can not negotiate with, bribe or placate evil. You're not going to be able to have it sit down with Dr. Phil for an anger management session either.
April 18, 2017, 04:18 PM
RNshooter
The hotel in Mesa for MOAC 2016 had a special rate for us, by that may have been arranged by Alan.

Bruce






"The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams

“It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free."
-Niccolo Machiavelli

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken
April 18, 2017, 04:24 PM
steve495
Yes Bruce, you are correct. That was arranged by Alan as I believe he new the management of the hotel.


Steve


Small Business Website Design & Maintenance - https://spidercreations.net | OpSpec Training - https://opspectraining.com | Grayguns - https://grayguns.com

Evil exists. You can not negotiate with, bribe or placate evil. You're not going to be able to have it sit down with Dr. Phil for an anger management session either.
April 19, 2017, 07:38 AM
MikeGLI
It continues...












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