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Please excuse my ignorance.....
July 20, 2025, 05:58 PM
cobalt402Please excuse my ignorance.....
With all of this controversy over the 320, isn’t the 365 the same pistol only reduced in size? If that is the case, why isn't the 365 under the same microscope as the 320? If not, what makes them different?
c4
July 20, 2025, 06:04 PM
PhredThe P365 uses a conventional, plunger style striker block like it found on most other semi-automatic pistols. The P320 uses a unique “striker safety lock” that is part of the striker assembly. There are other differences between the platforms, but the striker safety setup is probably the most significant reason the P365 isn’t displaying the uncommanded discharge issue the P320 is alleged to have.
July 20, 2025, 07:01 PM
cobalt402Tks, c4
July 20, 2025, 07:43 PM
Lwt16I was an Sig certified armorer on both the 320 and 365. The two pistols have multiple differences in design, parts, etc.
It’s a huge misconception that the 365 is merely a shrunken down 320.
As mentioned above, the striker safety lock design of the 320 is a good example of how the two are nothing alike.
I carry a 365 often…I will never carry a 320 again and consider mine a range toy only.
July 20, 2025, 09:15 PM
pedropcolaOk internet engineers, here is my query.
The 2 are distinctly different in many ways yet very similar in build. Ie, they both are modular using a very simple U shaped frame to contain the workings. Why not scrap the 320 design and just build the 365 fcu up in size and then add a traditional firing pin block. Hell, add the dingus at the same time and make everybody happy.
They already know how “voluntary upgrades” work so bite the bullet and voila, all new gun that probably goes off uncommanded as much as a 365. Which seems to be zero.
July 20, 2025, 10:36 PM
Ripley^^
It would be an admission by Sig that the 320 is flawed and open a legal poopstorm. Do what you suggest and give it a new name.
Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. July 21, 2025, 10:28 AM
FenderBenderquote:
Originally posted by pedropcola:
Ok internet engineers, here is my query.
The 2 are distinctly different in many ways yet very similar in build. Ie, they both are modular using a very simple U shaped frame to contain the workings. Why not scrap the 320 design and just build the 365 fcu up in size and then add a traditional firing pin block. Hell, add the dingus at the same time and make everybody happy.
They already know how “voluntary upgrades” work so bite the bullet and voila, all new gun that probably goes off uncommanded as much as a 365. Which seems to be zero.
the M17 and M18.
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July 21, 2025, 10:41 AM
Jim WatsonAre you saying that the government contract guns are not prone to "triggerless discharge?"
July 21, 2025, 10:54 AM
FenderBenderquote:
Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Are you saying that the government contract guns are not prone to "triggerless discharge?"
Not at all, I'm saying the contract is for the gun as it exists. Fundamentally changing the design would invalidate that contract, because the design won the trials.
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July 21, 2025, 08:48 PM
pedropcolaI’m talking about the 320 and civilian sales. Sounds like Big green is sticking with the M17/18. The civilian side of the Sig 320 is DOA at this point. Whenever I read a post about a guy excited to get his brand new 320 it’s akin to Jack winning that ticket on a cruise line.
July 21, 2025, 08:55 PM
Rey HRHquote:
Originally posted by pedropcola:
Why not scrap the 320 design and just build the 365 fcu up in size and then add a traditional firing pin block. Hell, add the dingus at the same time and make everybody happy.
Minus the dingus, didn't they do that already with the P365 Fuse? it's even got a longer 4.3" barrel and same magazine capacity options (17/21).
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
July 21, 2025, 09:15 PM
pedropcolaI guess my question is if they want to salvage the 320 line. Civilian sales are dead or soon to be. Is it time for them to attempt a redo of the 320’s or just call it quits? Because nobody is buying new 320’s who have been paying any attention at all. I have 3 of them and I am pretty much resigned to the idea they are Taurus/Rossi level trade material at this point.
July 22, 2025, 12:33 AM
Rey HRHI don’t think it’s about salvaging the P320 but the whole brand. As someone who’s got mostly Sigs except for a couple of 1911s and a 22, I don’t think I’m being overly dramatic.
Which agency will give a go ahead to anything Sig in the future if Sig doesn’t remediate the P320 issue?
It’s a version of Pascal’s Wager. There’s no big benefit in going to Sig to overcome the big oh, shit even assuming just a very small probability of truth to the P320 issue.
"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
July 22, 2025, 03:45 AM
12131Remember “
Today…it ends”? Since they idiotically doubled down with that shit, I don’t see how they’re going to get out of it. Unless the entire leadership, and that includes Cohen, is fired. Do over.
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July 22, 2025, 08:41 AM
Pale Horsequote:
Originally posted by Ripley:
^^
It would be an admission by Sig that the 320 is flawed and open a legal poopstorm. Do what you suggest and give it a new name.
Ah yes cue the Sig P330. It will look exactly the same as the P320 but the $50 magazines will somehow not be compatible.
“Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014
July 22, 2025, 09:11 AM
pedropcolaGood opportunity to make them to take Glock mags. lol
July 22, 2025, 10:25 AM
Sgt 127quote:
Originally posted by pedropcola:
Good opportunity to make them to take Glock mags. lol
Ya know, that would have been unheard of years ago but now? Why not? It’s not like everybody in the world builds 5.56 rifles based on one standardized magazine. Same with 1911’s.
The Glock mags, well, the whole gun actually, work well and have a solid reputation.
July 22, 2025, 12:17 PM
Pale Horsequote:
Originally posted by pedropcola:
Good opportunity to make them to take Glock mags. lol
Right?
But since Sig builds guns that don’t even take Sig mags (P225/P225A1) I doubt we’ll ever see an Sig that accepts the cheap, plentiful and reliable Glock mag.
“Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014
July 22, 2025, 01:09 PM
Jim WatsonAll I can think of is to design a better action, put it in a FCU that will fit a P320, sell them cheap, and put them in a new model P330.
Keep selling the Army time bombs, I guess.
July 22, 2025, 01:42 PM
apprenticequote:
Originally posted by Jim Watson:
All I can think of is to design a better action, put it in a FCU that will fit a P320, sell them cheap, and put them in a new model P330.
Keep selling the Army time bombs, I guess.
Sounds like an acceptable "win".