Mike Pannone teaches and excellent course called Covert Carry that I might suggest to you. It sounds like as much of a struggle carrying a gun and keeping it concealed is that it might be money well spent.

I highly recommend the class.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Mike Pannone teaches and excellent course called Covert Carry that I might suggest to you. It sounds like as much of a struggle carrying a gun and keeping it concealed is that it might be money well spent.

I highly recommend the class.

That sounds like just what I need.

I sometimes carry my M11A1, but find my old hips prefer either P239 or better a P365 these days.

I'm retired,so I don't have to tuck in my shirts... and I don't. These days, I carry appendix IWB. I hardly feel the weight of any of my guns from Sigs to 5 inch 1911s to four inch revolvers. When I carried at 3-4 o'clock I did feel the weight. I know what works for me but I don't tell others how to carry. We all have to decide for ourselves and we have more options than ever.

Does a CZ 75BD count?

I've carried one in a High Noon IWB at about 3pm using a good belt and it carries and conceals very well.

Have also carried a M11-A1 in the same manner for quite a long time with very good results.

Old and kinda lumpy seems to help hide, too

From time to time I go business casual. I use a Kangaroo carry for those occasions. Not ideal but it works.

I used to carry a Commander, but age and injury have changed my tastes.

A) I found carrying braces to be more comfortable. It was the imbalance which I found so uncomfortable.

B) Some days, something very light, slipped in a pocket, is about all that is practical, but I do like AIWB/IWB carry for pocket guns, at times.

With the right belt, up you can carry anything! I’ve enjoyed a comfortable carry with Magpul’ Tejas style of belts. Fortunately, when have to carry a heavy gun these days, it’s Kangaroo or AIWB..

I too like carrying a blued steel beauty in a "man's" caliber but like others I've decided to hit the easy button with the compact polymer striker pistols. The weight isn't as much of an issue to me. Ease of maintenance of the polymer and the fact that I don't feel as horrible if it gets banged around or scratched.

I can carry a full size 1911 without much problem.

When standing or sitting with the appropriate cover shirt, it doesn't print at all when riding in a kydex OWB holster with zero cant. I'm sure I could get better concealment with IWB, but I like the surety of the draw from OWB.

When sitting in the car or in a chair that has an open back, that's when the problem starts with getting the butt hooked on something or jammed into me.

Weight with an all-steel 1911 has never been an issue.

Never tried to conceal a 226, but I've toyed with the idea of a 220 SAO, which I think would conceal just fine on me.

I'm going to be getting a Staccato P that I fully intend to try to conceal, probably AIWB. I think I can manage that, especially with a better fitness regimen to flatten the stomach and increase chest size for a better shirt drape.

I was lazy today. I left the 4506-1 in the safe and wore the 4566.

In a MTR custom leather "Avenger" style open top holster. WITH a Nexbelt! Regards 18DAI

I say if you can do it comfortably and confidently then go for it.

for many folks concealed carry is always a compromise....

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Originally posted by hudr:
Full size P220r
Full size 1911
Even all stainless models of the above.
Glock G20/21/41

I’ve carried all these, even IWB.
Is a G19 lighter? Yeah, but it can be done w/o too much discomfort. You do have to get the right gear.
A dress belt and a nylon Uncle Mike’s probably ain’t gonna do it.

I have the 220 (no rail) and a Colt Commander steel frame , as well as a P6 and P228 in my carry rotation,

no issues, as far as weight etc, but I carry in a nice leather pancake style owb holster,

loose jacket or shirt untucked hides it well


I carried a full size steel frame 1911 for a bit in a shoulder holster, but it was a bit heavy load, with gun and 2 extra magazines

When I was a young man, I would ONLY carry an all steel weapon. God forbid, I would never consider an alloy framed weapon. Then as I got older, I swore off carrying steel, and went to the lighter alloy frames and swore I would never carry a polymer gun. So, here I am now days with a small Shield as my carry weapon. My my, how times and attitudes change!

I often carry my CZ-75B Omega. I carry it in an OWB Galco Combat Master on a 5.11 gunbelt. Before I lost 100 lbs I was using a Bigfoot belt, but now that belt is way too big.

As others have noted, with a good holster and a good belt, it carries easily and comfortably.

I carried a 5" Gov't model 1911 for 25 years. Both IWB/OWB. No issues with the weight. As has been said, it's all about the holster & belt. I have transitioned to polymer guns but on occasion I'll pack a 1911 Commander or a Beretta 92 compact. I'm a bigger guy so hiding a big gun has never been a problem.

I LOVE metal guns and have several. I am 6' tall 150lbs so carry for me is different than some others. I carry a 365XL. Before that a Kahr for like 10 years. It is not the weight it is the modern carry ergos or whatever, which I guess weight is a factor. But not something I pay attention to in selection. For my collection there has to be a lot to like about a plastic gun to inspire me to buy. SO HK's and will be getting a 320 Xseries once I decide which.

The 4506 is one of the few guns I regret selling, one of these days I need to get another one.

I've worked in a few different capacities while carrying a pistol. Plain clothes (from suit/ shirt & tie to tshirt and jeans) under cover, uniform. For about the last 15ish years, my work gun is a G-21, before that a Stainless P-220, in the very beginning, a P-226.

On the belt in a leather pancake type holster or a Safariland kydex (7010 I believe), inside the pant holsters, mostly kydex but have used a few leather ones, pocket carry, and the traditional police pistol belt and full sized holsters.

The persons size and shape has a lot to do with how well one can "conceal" a pistol. So does clothing. Kinda hard to conceal a gun in skinny jeans and tight t shirts.
Being able to comfortably carry one is different. (Secret- strong abb and back )

As for the OP, working in a gun shop in an area where a few of them have been robbed...
A 4506 would probably be the smallest thing I'd have on. There'd be a few shotguns and AR's easily accessible for staff behind the counter.

Mossy 590 under the counter and a Winchester 1300 pistol grip under the register CDP SIG. We have a sign up front that states "We don't call 911".

All the staff is off duty/retired LE or Military. We have an electronic lock on the front door too. The front window treatment lets us see out, but they can't see in. So if we don't like how they look - they don't come in.

Trust me, the 4506-1 is there to get me to the Winchester.

BTW, on duty the other night, my partner in the Magistrates office had one of those reality police shows on. They showed a Chicago plain clothes officer get into a shooting in an apartment house. It looked like he had a 4586. Sounded like one too when he fire two shots into an armed mope.

Is the 4586 still popular up there? What about the other 3rd gen 45s? The officer using one looked to be in his late 30s. Stay safe! Regards 18DAI