Yea, I got that from all the posters above you that already stated that.

At this point nobody is buying a 210 as a “service” gun. Gmafb. The originals that were made overseas and were actually service guns canand do command a hefty price. The American made ones aren’t being marketed or sold as service guns. Unless you are stuck decades in the past. It’s a target gun at this point.

Thanks for making my gun snob point. I bet you love these guns. Post some pics. Lol

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

But now that the subject has been raised, if the modern P210 is theoretically useful only as a target gun, what modern target shooting disciplines in particular would it be seriously useful for?

This is why I have inspected and handled both versions numerous times in local gun stores, with a real lust to acquire ... and asked meself what can you do with this that you can't already do with your first generation CZ TS, that has enough round capacity to use in many more kinds of competitions ?

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Yea, I got that from all the posters above you that already stated that.

At this point nobody is buying a 210 as a “service” gun. Gmafb. The originals that were made overseas and were actually service guns canand do command a hefty price. The American made ones aren’t being marketed or sold as service guns. Unless you are stuck decades in the past. It’s a target gun at this point.

Thanks for making my gun snob point. I bet you love these guns. Post some pics. Lol

Oh I’m definitely a gun snob and yes I own many of them. I just wanted to educate you is all.

Wait, what was your point again?

TBH, I bought a P210A Target because it's an exceptionally well-made pistol I found a pure joy to behold and to hold

Many of my firearms are like that. I just dropped off my Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt to have the little bit of creep in its trigger taken out. Before I even shot it I had a custom grip guy make me matching grips for it and its little brother--my Ruger Old Model Single Six. Neither revolver is particularly "useful." I didn't buy them for their "usefulness." I bought them because they amused me.

I have a Glock G34 thats sole use is a range toy/race gun--and I don't even shoot competitively.

I've a 10mm 1911 "woods gun." I spend maybe 3-6 days in the woods a year. At the most. So a woods gun isn't terribly useful for me, and 10mm is relatively expensive to shoot.

I've a P229 Sport. I've absolutely no use for it other than as a range toy, and, being 357 Sig, an expensive range toy at that. But, man, is it ever a cool pistol

I have "useful" firearms. Then I have firearms just because they called to me.

I guess what I'm saying is if the P210A Target doesn't call to you, it doesn't call to you. Fine. What I don't get is why the hate?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by 58worldseries:
it was originally developed as a military sidearm and therefore wouldn’t have adjustable sights .

Which was why even my limited interest was only for one with fixed sights. (And yes, why not then a genuine surplus military model? No good answer to that either.)

But now that the subject has been raised, if the modern P210 is theoretically useful only as a target gun, what modern target shooting disciplines in particular would it be seriously useful for?

Answer is P210 does not meet current target shooting pistol needs or match needs.

All the 5.5 inch lightened slide optics ready guns from every manufacturer meet that need apparently.

At least for me now that SIG is basically just a US gun company they don't interest me as much as when they had the German and Swiss manufacturing, if I had a limited wish they would have never tried to sell arms to Colombia or whatever.

The last SIG I got in a CPO P229 "Elite" and I think the hammer isn't installed correctly (it looks like it never actually touch's when pulled I'll need to bring it to a range as SIG said to try it before I send it back)....

I know the German "magic gnome" made guns thing is a trope but seriously SIG has lost something quality wise over the years.

I prize my all German P6, P220 9mm, P225, P226, P228, SIG PRO (Swiss Frame) and have never had problems with them aside from regular roll pin maintenance/spring changes etc.


(and on "go broker.com" the German ones fetch good prices if I was to sell them all)

I think the P320/P365 are nice enough guns but not anything I'm interested in and it does seem like they are everywhere.

I remember when CDNN was selling CPO P320's for like $349 (I swear that was 2020..) any size so to me $350 is what I'd pay for one tops without feeling ripped off.

I held a AXG custom pro P320 (one that actually looks like a classic SIG with laminated wood grips), and I liked it minus the $1300 dollar price tag.

I thought to myself I know materials have gone up but seriously an aluminum framed gun for $1300.

They really are pulling the wool on this one, phase out all our decent aluminum frame guns and now look here is a "special" one with a super high price. I'd rather buy a stock CZ or Beretta they're prices for all metal guns are still reasonable and I can get my "European" gun fix I guess.

1911s are alright too but I already have a nice old Colt 1911 so not interested, and everyone and their mom makes 1911's.

Hmm. I don't think the axe stops at just the P210. Not if the bean counters and sales forecasters have their way.

I bought a 210-A standard for several reasons. The first being the history behind the design and use. Although this variant is in some ways quite different than the originals, it is still the same basic gun and to get into an original would be more than double to triple the cost of the American made one.

Second, the 210-A is probably the most well fitted and smoothest production handgun that I have held, with only maybe my Les Baer coming close. If you want to jump way up in price, yeah sure a Wilson CQB elite or Supergrade is superior, but by how much? Yeah it’s that good, at least my example is—absolutely flawless.

Third is the feel and shootability. The ergos are excellent and the accuracy has been said to be among the best if not at the top of the production 9mm handguns ever made. I’ll make the argument that the three dot sights on the standard model are not the most precise, but they are still nice solid sights.

Will these increase in value like the Swiss and German models? I don’t know and honestly I don’t care. I just like what I like. I understand why Sig would D/C these as they are expensive single stack 9mm guns that have to compete in a world full of high capacity newer designs with high speed low drag features. Most people would rather have a Sig Legion or 365 than a P-210. The 210 in some ways is an antiquated design (though the internal frame rails are quite alive and well in CZ’s these days), though I’m sure it will have its fan base for years to come, much like the HK P7 series, Browning High Power, and others to name a few.

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
I bought a 210-A standard for several reasons. The first being the history behind the design and use. Although this variant is in some ways quite different than the originals, it is still the same basic gun and to get into an original would be more than double to triple the cost of the American made one.

Second, the 210-A is probably the most well fitted and smoothest production handgun that I have held, with only maybe my Les Baer coming close. If you want to jump way up in price, yeah sure a Wilson CQB elite or Supergrade is superior, but by how much? Yeah it’s that good, at least my example is—absolutely flawless.

Third is the feel and shootability. The ergos are excellent and the accuracy has been said to be among the best if not at the top of the production 9mm handguns ever made. I’ll make the argument that the three dot sights on the standard model are not the most precise, but they are still nice solid sights.

Will these increase in value like the Swiss and German models? I don’t know and honestly I don’t care. I just like what I like. I understand why Sig would D/C these as they are expensive single stack 9mm guns that have to compete in a world full of high capacity newer designs with high speed low drag features. Most people would rather have a Sig Legion or 365 than a P-210. The 210 in some ways is an antiquated design (though the internal frame rails are quite alive and well in CZ’s these days), though I’m sure it will have its fan base for years to come, much like the HK P7 series, Browning High Power, and others to name a few.

They definitely will have a fan base for years to come and much like those models you mentioned people will only start going super crazy for them once there gone. I will say SIG either really missed the mark on demand for the standard or they over produced the hell out of it trying to create demand with the news of its demise. The gun is discontinued and auctions on GB are ending with no bids . Even Sigs own website says limited quantities available. Someday we may look back and say, there going for how much ? I remember when nobody wanted those things !( hmmm…why did the Beretta ARX just come to mind )

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Thanks for making my gun snob point. I bet you love these guns. Post some pics. Lol

That's uncalled for. Mind your manners.

Well gentlemen , when a friend of mine told me his pair of p210 legends were going to be finding a new home . I started this post in the hopes of finding out if the P210 was a 34oz , 8 round, single stack antiquated dinosaur and if so, why did I want one so much? I’m a bit of an anomaly, my favorite rifle is a scar but I can’t love (or usually keep)a plastic pistol. Well , I guess I learned what I may have known all along . The P210 maybe all of those things. But I still love the design . So after all my resistance , those 2 German legends have a new home tonight .

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Originally posted by 58worldseries:
So after all my resistance , those 2 German legends have a new home tonight .

Congratulations!

I don't know anything about the P210 Legend, but I do know my P210A Target is unquestionably the finest handgun I own.

After reading this thread I have to say that as a former owner of a 210-6 the American model is every bit as good or better than the old model. Gone is the donation of blood every time I shot it. Gone is the worry of damaging a $3500+ gun. Now there are faults with the target model as to why they put a stupid fiber optic front sight on it instead of a patridge, after it is labeled a target gun! As for the standard model I picked up 2 when they were closed out. One to shoot and one to squirrel away until people who didn't buy one now want one because they stopped making them. The standard model to me is a service gun and not a target gun even though it can shoot like one.
Now am I a snob? Yes a bit, I have a CZ TSO, a custom Caspian 1911 that is an amazing shooter, 2 Les Baer 1911's and rounding it off a S&W 945. All shoot great, but the 210 just feels a bit better in the hand.
Just my .02.

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The last SIG I got in a CPO P229 "Elite" and I think the hammer isn't installed correctly (it looks like it never actually touch's when pulled I'll need to bring it to a range as SIG said to try it before I send it back).

I assume it has a rebounding hammer like my German SIG Sauers. When I pull the trigger, the hammer hits the firing pin and rebounds off of it almost too quickly to tell. And I can't push the hammer forward after releasing the trigger.
Like the man says, shoot the gun.
I just don't understand all the non-shooting "reviews" these days.

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Originally posted by p08:
After reading this thread I have to say that as a former owner of a 210-6 the American model is every bit as good or better than the old model. Gone is the donation of blood every time I shot it. Gone is the worry of damaging a $3500+ gun. Now there are faults with the target model as to why they put a stupid fiber optic front sight on it instead of a patridge, after it is labeled a target gun! As for the standard model I picked up 2 when they were closed out. One to shoot and one to squirrel away until people who didn't buy one now want one because they stopped making them. The standard model to me is a service gun and not a target gun even though it can shoot like one.
Now am I a snob? Yes a bit, I have a CZ TSO, a custom Caspian 1911 that is an amazing shooter, 2 Les Baer 1911's and rounding it off a S&W 945. All shoot great, but the 210 just feels a bit better in the hand.
Just my .02.

I agree on all points . I also had a 210-6 and didn’t like the idea of hammer bite , I never cared for the heel mag release although they are beautiful guns . I picked up the 2 Legends first of all because he wouldn’t break them up as they were NOS consecutive serial numbers . Which doesn’t mean a lot to me but it’s kind of cool . Will I ever shoot them ? I plan to , but who knows. I fully intend on buying a couple of the standard Americans to do just as you did one to shoot and one to put away. I’m already in this deep may as well go a little further now !

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Originally posted by 58worldseries:
So after all my resistance , those 2 German legends have a new home tonight .

Congratulations!

I don't know anything about the P210 Legend, but I do know my P210A Target is unquestionably the finest handgun I own.

THANK YOU . I tried to fight the desire but I lost . Lol

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Originally posted by 58worldseries:
THANK YOU . I tried to fight the desire but I lost . Lol

I know that feeling

I'd read about the P210A Target and thought "What an awesome-looking pistol!" I toyed with the idea of buying one, but they were expensive and nobody had stock.

Well, I walked into this one LGS, they asked what I was looking for, and I replied "What I'd like to see is a Sig P210A Target, but nobody has any of those." "We do," the guy replied. Whoa! Walked over to this spot in the case and... empty! "I guess we sold it." Owner spoke up from the other end of the counter: "Nope. It's still here."

Apparently somebody'd called, asked them to set it aside, and hadn't come to get it. They let me check it out. It was love at first sight. "I'm gonna sleep on it," I told them.

Showed up the next morning. Owner, with a big grin on his face, pulled it out from behind the counter with "I knew you'd be back for this."

As I approach a major life milestone next week, I had decided to reward myself with a new pistol purchase. To date the most expensive/highest quality pistols in my small collection are a P220 Sport, a DW 9mm Guardian and a DW PM-38.

While I really don’t NEED a target pistol, I have wanted one for some time now, even though I don't presently do any competition shooting. I had narrowed down my choices to the P210 Target American or CZ TSO. Aside from holding display models at SHOT in recent years, I have not been able to handle or shoot either one. Research on SF appears to indicate that either choice could be fine for me, and I should be happy with either one.

In the end, I was able to get favorable pricing on the Sig, and it is now sitting at my local FFL awaiting pickup later this week. Really looking forward to spending a little time with this one.

Y'all are gettin' me pumped to get back to the range with my P210A Target

Right now I'm breaking-in my EMP and Kimber Rimfire Target, and I got to see if my latest extractor tweak to my Kimber 10mm did the trick, but my P210 is definitely next on the list after those.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Y'all are gettin' me pumped to get back to the range with my P210A Target

Right now I'm breaking-in my EMP and Kimber Rimfire Target, and I got to see if my latest extractor tweak to my Kimber 10mm did the trick, but my P210 is definitely next on the list after those.

I've fallen behind on break-in myself. My new CMMG Banshee 10mm arrived a few months ago, but haven't gotten out with it yet. The sad part is that my range is our 80 acre family farm, about 10 miles from the house, so no excuses since I'm there several times a week doing routine maintenance and mowing yard.

58ws, Ok, some of my thoughts. Wasn't the 210 standard discontinued some time ago, 2019? I never believed there was much demand for an all steel 8-shot 9MM is today's polymer World, and am surprised SIG ever actually produced an American made 210 at all. I was sure if they did, it would probably be disappointing trash. Some may believe it is, but I took a chance, and bought one soon after they were released. I was wrong, the 210A is worth the asking price IMHO, still have mine, and have no plans to sell or trade it.

FWIW, I've owned 210s on and off since the '80s. I'd first handled a 210 at the old Mandall's Shooting Supplies in Scottsdale. I bought my first 210, a new -2, simply because I believed it's build quality to be the finest I'd ever encountered. Not because I had a particular service or target use in mind for it. In fact, I have no use for 210s at all, other than just enjoying shooting them. I soon bought another new -2, then a -6, German Legends, etc. The 210s of whatever type, are so precise, it seems a shame not to be able to zero these fine guns without drifting the rear sight for windage, changing the front or rear for the desired POA/POI, etc. I have 210s with both fixed and adjustable rear sights, and much prefer the adjustable sighted guns.

I suspect at some point, probably sooner rather than later, SIG will suddenly announce the 210s have been discontinued. Perhaps then, the American 210s will not languish on the shelf and in the auctions. SIG collectors may even acquire a 210A, not because they consider it comparable to their Swiss, and perhaps German examples, but just to have another variation in their collection.....