Just an observation...

Interesting that no "smoking gun" videos seem to exist with regards to the Caniks. There doesn't seem to be an Omaha Outdoors equivalent in their case; at least Google hasn't turned up anything for me. This 'upgrade' suspiciously seems more like it's the result of subsequent testing by Century Arms or perhaps even Canik themselves, as a byproduct of SIG's problems with the 320.

Due to the hurricane, it appears that details of the upgrade have been postponed for another week.
http://www.canikusa.com/severe-duty-upgrade/

They did post an FAQ, though, and here are some notable points... including a point I missed in the original post outlining that the customer is responsible for shipping costs:

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What will change on my pistol after the Severe Duty Upgrade?
We are upgrading the trigger safety spring and firing pin block spring but The Severe Duty Upgrade does not have any affect and does not alter any features or design of the pistols.

Will this affect the trigger pull of my TP Series pistol?
No. Trigger pull will remain within specifications.

Can I return my pistol for a full refund?
No. However, the upgrade is being offered at no charge to consumers. Shipping is not included, so the only cost to the consumer is shipping for the Severe Duty Upgrade.

If I choose to benefit from this Severe Duty Upgrade, should I send all the parts that were included in the case when I purchased my pistol?
You should NOT send any magazines, holsters, back straps, magazine loaders, aftermarket trigger groups or accessories with your pistol. If these items are sent with your Severe Duty Upgrade request, Canik cannot guarantee that those items will be returned to you.

What if I have had custom work or aftermarket components installed in my TP Series Pistol?
Century Arms can only guarantee the function and safety of original Canik trigger components. Any questions regarding aftermarket components should be addressed with the aftermarket manufacturer.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
Let's start tossing pistols out of f'ing planes and see if they discharge.

Bigbore did that, plus a lot more with his G21. Now, at 200,000 rounds through the pistol, he's finall retired it after driving over it, chucking it from an airplane at 1000', dragging it behind cars, freezing, thawing, and everything-elsing it, etc. Still going strong when he retired it.

It's hard to ask more than that.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
Bigbore did that, plus a lot more with his G21. Now, at 200,000 rounds through the pistol, he's finall retired it after driving over it, chucking it from an airplane at 1000', dragging it behind cars, freezing, thawing, and everything-elsing it, etc. Still going strong when he retired it.

It's hard to ask more than that.

Glocks have been around for years, and have had their own problems with drop safety. The pistol wasn't perfect when it came off the design table, and it too went through an overhaul to correct problems that were discovered.

This was pointed out in the P320 thread, and if people are going to keep bringing up Glock as the gold standard, they have to understand that they are comparing a new design that hasn't been "in the wild" very long, to one that has seen real world conditions for decades. Including people discovering flaws the company did not.

Here is a summary of Glocks largest "upgrade."

My point, is that decades ago, Bigbores shenanigans would have had different results. While it's fun to "test" a modern Glock, if you want a more accurate comparison, find an early that was never "upgraded" and see what you get.

This is the "perspective" I was talking about in the other thread. Glock is as safe and reliable, precisely because flaws have been uncovered by well, accident, and then people started chucking them off of building etc.

If someone just takes a Glock design, copies it, and starts selling it, there are laws against that, and it's called a Sigma. So, new and unique pistol designs are encouraged in a number of ways.

Glock survived its early drop failure problems, Canik will, SIG will.

But, let us not pretend that Glock never had problems, and has always been perfect. They are great guns now, and other pistols are experiencing the same "in the wild" tests that Glock did.

One can only imagine if the failures uncovered in Glocks had happened in 2017, what the butthurt would have been like.

All of what I've just said, was said in some way in the P320 thread. It is worth repeating.

Failure is part of the development of every weapon, and that development continues through its life cycle. Pointing to a Glock as if it never failed, is ignoring that it did. It's safe to say that a lot of people are simply unaware.

How a Glock was then redesigned to not fail under those conditions, is exactly what SIG is going through, and what any other weapons maker will have to deal with if they also come up with a new design.

Pointing out that Glocks are tough, and won't fire when you drop them, is certainly factual. How they got there is worth noting.

Well they finally updated the site today. There is not much additional information, it just has the database to check your S/N to see if it qualifies. The database will also track which S/Ns have been upgraded, so hopefully it remains available on that site for a long time.

http://www.canikusa.com/severe-duty-upgrade/

I have noticed some big box stores took their affected models off the shelves, so I assume that means all new production pistols will already have the upgrade, but the site does not mention this specifically.

As stated previously, customer is responsible for shipping only (it does not mention cost estimations or that they're making the arrangements - so I assume it's 100% on us?). They say it won't affect trigger pull, and do quote an estimated turnaround time:

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What is the turnaround time to receive my Severe Duty Upgrade?

We will acknowledge your properly completed registration for the Severe Duty Upgrade via email upon receipt of your completed application form. From beginning to end, the process should take approximately 6-8 weeks depending on the number of requests for this upgrade. We will process your application on an as received basis.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
Just an observation...

Interesting that no "smoking gun" videos seem to exist with regards to the Caniks. There doesn't seem to be an Omaha Outdoors equivalent in their case; at least Google hasn't turned up anything for me. This 'upgrade' suspiciously seems more like it's the result of subsequent testing by Century Arms or perhaps even Canik themselves, as a byproduct of SIG's problems with the 320.

This^^

I'm not going to bother with this.
I don't plan on moronically beating my pistol with a hammer till it goes off.
I have a TP9SFX that is just a range pistol. I don't plan on ever carrying it.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
This was pointed out in the P320 thread, and if people are going to keep bringing up Glock as the gold standard,

I didn't.

Another poster made a flippant comment about tossing the pistol out of an airplane. I made a relevant reply. It's been done.

Great rant, though.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
This was pointed out in the P320 thread, and if people are going to keep bringing up Glock as the gold standard,

I didn't.

Another poster made a flippant comment about tossing the pistol out of an airplane. I made a relevant reply. It's been done.

Great rant, though.

Didn't what? Bring up Glock as the gold standard? Here is a quote of me, quoting you, on this page, in this thread:

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
Bigbore did that, plus a lot more with his G21. Now, at 200,000 rounds through the pistol, he's finall retired it after driving over it, chucking it from an airplane at 1000', dragging it behind cars, freezing, thawing, and everything-elsing it, etc. Still going strong when he retired it.

It's hard to ask more than that.

If you weren't directly stating, insinuating, or otherwise implying that Glock is the gold standard for safety/reliability, then you need to work on the clarity of your posts. You pointed out that some clown has abused the gun in ridiculous ways, and and it survived, then said "it's hard to ask more than that."

If you don't think that's what you did, such is irrelevant. My point still stands, and just posting to insist you didn't say something, is a waste of time. Particularly when your "relevant reply" is to reiterate that Glocks are super great, to which I responded. See above, rinse, repeat.

Fantastic, good work everyone.

Fact: Bigbore did chuck his pistol out the window of a Cessna.

Fact: Bigbore did just retire his G21 after 200,000 troublefree rounds

Fact: It's very difficult to ask more of a pistol than that.

Now, if that's the gold standard, then so be it. You said it, of course. Not me. I didn't bring up gold standards or chucking pistols out the window of an airplane. Other posters did that, of course. I simply mentioned the relevant facts, which, of course, are true.

In a day and age when some manufacturers such as Keltec offer a 6,000 round life projection for their pistols ("at least 6,000 rounds), perhaps some might see two hundred thousand as a gold standard (Chuck Taylor's G19 was over 250,000 last I heard, and that was twenty years ago).

I didn't comment on whether Bigbore's G21 went off when dropped out the window of the Cessna, but it's not particularly relevant as that wasn't his test. It didn't go off, but did get buried in the dirt. It wouldn't shoot (he had rounds in the magazine, not in the chamber). The reason it didn't cycle or shoot was that the rounds were deformed from impact, but the pistol was not. Probably not a valid or worthwhile test for any pistol, be it Glock or Canik.

A better test at this stage may be the confidence that the owners have in their pistol. I have full confidence in my Glocks. I bought more P320's when the recent issue came up. I don't own a Canik, but I haven't seen any issue of low confidence here.

I'm pretty sure that my 70-series 1911's aren't drop safe, and I have no intention of chucking them out the window of anything I'm flying, nor abusing them, dropping them, or striking them with hammers. I'm pretty sure they won't go two hundred thousand rounds. I'm also pretty sure I won't manage two hundred thousand through my Glocks, either. I don't know if the Canik has been demonstrated or tested to that degree or if it offers or promotes that kind of longevity. For many, it probably doesn't matter, and it doesn't appear to be any kind of gold standard. I won't be beating up my P320's. Or dropping them to see if they go off, but I won't shelve them, either. Sounds like those with the Canik don't feel much different.

Feelings are subjective, though facts...are not.

Man, that's a great effort to rehash an 80 page thread that is not in need of being repeated. People are done with that thread, and it's clear you're just fishing in this one.

You don't own a Canik, just let this thread alone. You've either missed my point entirely or are ignoring it, and it's not important to me which.

No further comment from you is necessary, let's leave this to the folks who are interested in upgrading their guns, or not, as the case may be.