Received in email today. I couldn't find the notice on their site anywhere, but if you google it is reposted on some gun blogs as well.
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Product Safety Warning and Severe Duty Upgrade
Century Arms, North America’s premier AK manufacturer, announced today the Canik Product Safety Warning and Severe Duty Upgrade Notice. This notice applies to Canik’s 9x19 mm pistols: TP9SA, TP9SF, TP9SFx, TP9SF Elite, TP9SF Elite-S. Canik’s other products are not subject to this notice. All Canik pistols comply with and exceed current industry and military abusive handling standards. There are no safety concerns with the pistols when used under ordinary conditions.
Canik is committed to continuously improving its product’s performance. Evaluations and tests have shown that repeated abusive dropping of pistols may result in damage to safety features and unintentional discharge.
DANGER: IF ANY FIREARM IS DROPPED INTERNAL PARTS MAY HAVE BEEN DEFORMED, DAMAGED OR DISABLED. The product must be inspected by a qualified gunsmith or returned for inspection after any significant impact.
WARNING: REPEATED IMPACTS TO YOUR PISTOL TO TEST ITS SAFETY FUNCTIONS WILL DAMAGE INTERNAL PARTS, AND VOID ITS WARRANTY. Firearm abusive handling tests can be dangerous and should only be conducted by qualified individuals in controlled environments with proper safety precautions in place. Canik does not recommend that any customer conduct drop tests or other endurance tests before or after this Severe Duty Upgrade.
WARNING: CONSUMERS SHOULD ONLY USE CANIK PARTS IN OUR PISTOLS. AFTERMARKET PARTS COULD DECREASE OR DISABLE SAFETY FEATURES OF YOUR CANIK PISTOL.
Canik is committed to manufacturing safe, reliable, innovative and affordable firearms. We are offering a voluntary upgrade to the trigger safety spring and firing pin block spring on the Canik models noted above. This is to further increase the safety of Canik pistols for enhanced drop discharge prevention in heavy/severe duty conditions that are beyond industry standards. The Severe Duty Upgrade does not alter any feature or design of the pistols. Canik will provide all parts and workmanship at no charge, but customers will be responsible for shipping costs.
Steps for upgrading your pistol? Our goal is to have the Severe Duty Upgrade process in place by Friday, September 8, 2017. After this date, please visit www.CanikUSA.com for complete instructions on how to receive your Severe Duty Upgrade.
Based on how this is written, it sounds like people have begun dropping their pistols repeatedly to see if they can get them to fire like the P320. We all knew it was just a matter of time.
NOTE: PLEASE do not turn this into another P320 thread. I know we have some Canik owners around here and I wanted to give a heads up to those that did not get the notice.This message has been edited. Last edited by: JBird679, September 08, 2017 10:06 PM
September 01, 2017, 09:14 AM
Tompow
I got one too... you're right, it was just a matter of time..
September 01, 2017, 09:34 AM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by JBird679: Based on how this is written, it sounds like people have begun dropping their pistols repeatedly to see if they can get them to fire like the P320. We all knew it was just a matter of time.
And a very short amount of time, at that.
It'll be interesting to see how many other modern pistols turn out not to be quite as "drop-safe" as they were believed to be?
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 01, 2017, 09:48 AM
cslinger
Forget the manufactures. I am enjoying all the YouTube videos of guns getting hammered, thrown, launched etc.
I would love to take some depression era guy with a prized rifle or handgun that he can barely keep 5 rounds for and uses it to put food on the table and show him these videos. The look on their face would be epic.
Take Care, Shoot Safe, Chris
September 01, 2017, 11:08 AM
Super Shooter
Thanks for the heads up, I will check into this.
September 01, 2017, 11:36 AM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by cslinger: Forget the manufactures. I am enjoying all the YouTube videos of guns getting hammered, thrown, launched etc.
I don't think I'd be able to watch those.
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Originally posted by cslinger: I would love to take some depression era guy with a prized rifle or handgun that he can barely keep 5 rounds for and uses it to put food on the table and show him these videos. The look on their face would be epic.
Yeah... epic.
I guess that's the difference between those of us brought up by Great Depression-era parents and subsequent generations. 1. We weren't brought up in a "drop-safe world." Stuff was designed to work as it was designed to work. Mistreat or abuse and all bets were off. Warning labels were few and far between, and generally didn't consist of paragraphs of exclusions and disclaimers. 2. "Waste not, want not." I would never even imagine doing that kind of thing to any of my firearms.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 01, 2017, 11:55 AM
soggy_spinout
Thanks for the information. I'm not surprised that there are individuals that would start "testing" their guns. There are always going to be that kind of person. Most of the blame I think is due to the growth of and ease of access to social media channels, like FB, Twitter and YouTube, and this inane need to be THE FIRST to report that there's "a serious problem" with whatever it is that they're torturing. As if that makes them a rock star...the next Geraldo Rivera.
September 01, 2017, 12:32 PM
az4783054
I'm willing to bet this "upgrade" generates no where near the outrage that SIG experienced. And it's probably going to happen even more in the future.
We're still waiting for our airbags to be replaced.
September 01, 2017, 12:40 PM
Nipper
This is going to get really exciting as the fad spreads throughout the entire country. Somebody is going to use live ammo, rather than primer-only cases.
After the Darwin Award candidate shoots him/her self, a bystander, the family pet or a priceless Picasso hanging on the wall, a lawsuit will be forthcoming. The jerk will then testify under oath that he never touched the trigger and that it just "went off".
Next thing you know they'll be hurling Ithaca Perazzi trap guns into concrete walls using a rocket sled.
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September 01, 2017, 02:12 PM
ether
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Originally posted by JBird679: Received in email today. I couldn't find the notice on their site anywhere, but if you google it is reposted on some gun blogs as well. [QUOTE]Product Safety Warning and Severe Duty Upgrade
We are offering a voluntary upgrade to the trigger safety spring and firing pin block spring on the Canik models noted above. This is to further increase the safety of Canik pistols for enhanced drop discharge prevention in heavy/severe duty conditions that are beyond industry standards. The Severe Duty Upgrade does not alter any feature or design of the pistols. Canik will provide all parts and workmanship at no charge, but customers will be responsible for shipping costs.
Based on how this is written, it sounds like people have begun dropping their pistols repeatedly to see if they can get them to fire like the P320. We all knew it was just a matter of time.
NOTE: PLEASE do not turn this into another P320 thread. I know we have some Canik owners around here and I wanted to give a heads up to those that did not get the notice.
You have got to be kidding me. I was looking at picking one of these up to try out if I found one at a great price...and I still probably will, only later than I thought.
If I design a pistol, I'm going to drop it on either 1) the hammer, or 2) where the hammer would be...to drop test it. WTF is wrong with the drop test standards, and wtf don't manufacturers test pistols this way regardless of the standards????
(BTW, I don't want to turn this into another "P320" thread either, but I do believe this proves there should be some serious discussion around accepted drop-testing)
September 01, 2017, 02:44 PM
Fredward
Decades ago I heard a female convict going off at a safety briefing. She said that dope, booze, guns, motorcycles, etc etc were all dangerous and only stupid people didn't know that. She said someday the effing feds would be putting foam rubber on the corners of our coffee tables. We're almost there!
September 01, 2017, 02:57 PM
ether
Fred...
September 01, 2017, 03:38 PM
220-9er
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WTF is wrong with the drop test standards, and wtf don't manufacturers test pistols this way regardless of the standards????
I think I read the standard was dropping from 4 ft. You would think it would be at least 6 or 7 ft. since a normal human could easily be holding it at that height. I realize you have to draw the line at some point but most engineered in safety standards for other products use the normal expected usage then apply a multiplier to insert some level of protection for errors in usage and manufacturing defects. The fixes for most of these issues seems to be a slight change in spring pressure or other simple fix. This should give anybody that modifies specifications on their carry gun something to think about.
Sweet bicycling christ let's not start down the road of what manufacturers should do, or did or didn't do. Just go re-read the P320 thread, it's in there somewhere.
If you own a Canik, as I do, this one is also "optional."
It would seem that drop safety testing should be updated, and one wonders how many more modern pistols will show issues outside of what has been standard tests for years.
Let's just not make it about SIG, there's another thread for that.
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September 01, 2017, 09:45 PM
myrottiety
Let's start tossing pistols out of f'ing planes and see if they discharge.
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September 02, 2017, 07:36 AM
rscalzo
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You would think it would be at least 6 or 7 ft. since a normal human could easily be holding it at that height.
???Shooting over one's head?
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The average American height for men is 177 cm or 69.7 inches, which is approximately 5 foot 10 inches tall.
You would think it would be at least 6 or 7 ft. since a normal human could easily be holding it at that height.
???Shooting over one's head?
Yeah. I'm over 6' tall and 6' off the ground would be high even for me.
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Originally posted by rscalzo: [QUOTE] The average American height for men is 177 cm or 69.7 inches, which is approximately 5 foot 10 inches tall.
Besides: Physics. The difference in dropping two pounds from 6' vs. 4', at Earth-average gravity and atmospheric density is less than 2 fps. (15.7 fps vs. 13.8 fps, IIRC.) Given the mass of what's actually moving, internally, probably exceedingly little difference in kinetic energy at the stop.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 04, 2017, 04:29 PM
lordhamster
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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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Originally posted by rscalzo: [QUOTE]You would think it would be at least 6 or 7 ft. since a normal human could easily be holding it at that height.
???Shooting over one's head?
Yeah. I'm over 6' tall and 6' off the ground would be high even for me.
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Originally posted by rscalzo:
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The average American height for men is 177 cm or 69.7 inches, which is approximately 5 foot 10 inches tall.
Besides: Physics. The difference in dropping two pounds from 6' vs. 4', at Earth-average gravity and atmospheric density is less than 2 fps. (15.7 fps vs. 13.8 fps, IIRC.) Given the mass of what's actually moving, internally, probably exceedingly little difference in kinetic energy at the stop.
Since we are comparing the DIFFERENCE in Kinetic energy between the same object falling from a few feet apart, we can safely ignore drag.
A 2 lbs pistol is .907KG Falling from a height of 6 FT(1.83m), the speed at impact will be ~5.99m/s with a Kinetic energy of 16.27Joules
Drop the same pistol from 4ft(1.22m), the speed of impact will be ~4.89m/sm making for 10.84Joules
A factor of 1.5 or (50%) more KE!!
Remember that in calculating Kinetic energy the Velocity get squared... so even the ~1.1m/s difference in velocity makes for a good sized difference in energy.
I wouldn't discount 50% as "exceedingly little difference."
September 04, 2017, 05:29 PM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by lordhamster: A factor of 1.5 or (50%) more KE!!
I come up with 7.7 ft/lbs. vs. 5.9 ft/lbs., for an increase of 31%, but I did not bother posting those numbers because the KE of the entire 2 lbs isn't the issue, but of the much smaller, lighter internal components. E.g.: For 2 oz, it's still a difference of 30%, but little more than a tenth of a ft/lb of KE.
And, yes, I know E = mv²
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 04, 2017, 10:16 PM
Wreckless
Back in the 80's the FBI was training at repelling from our county fire academy. One agent managed to drop his S&W 659 pistol 40 feet onto concrete. While it didn't go off it wasn't anygood for anything else after that. Splat!
