What Malysh said is right on!

The failure on MAC's gun didn't happen until after 900 rounds.

I've heard enough other reports that theres no way I would buy one at this point. I would never fully trust it.

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Do you wash your car before taking it in for service?[/QUOTE]

I sure do. It's a known fact that the service dept will be more careful with a car that looks like the customer cares about it. I personally hate getting extra dings and scratches that can easily be preventable.

I needed a reasonable sub-9MM for CCW.
I saw decent reviews on the S&W Shield 2.0 and got a good deal on one.
It shot to the left and I buggered up the front sight after they suggestged tapping it to get the proper site picture.
They took it back as a warranty complaint and it came back with a new front sight. But it still shot to the left.
I had my certified S&W 'Smith add in an Apex Trigger System, and it experienced frequent failure to fires...which was unaceptable.
He reset everything...and after installing a new striker assembly ( warranty claim) from S&W, it worked fine.
Shot it a little and the front gas tube for the night sight fell out.
Called S&W last month for a replacement and am still waigting.
Finally got a set of Triji's...and it's centered and shoots fine.
BUT I don't trust it and ending up getting an H&K 30SK. What a difference....takes 10 round mags regular and I even have 2 factory 15 rounders too. But the factory double action is still very heavy.


I think every maker has their share of issues. It's how they handle their customers after issues pop up that counts.
You get what you pay for.
The H&K is more expensive than the Shield, but delivers a better build and reliability outta the box...imho.
I have several Sig products, but am not comfortable with the newer offerings.

But I have found their customer service to be very good and they have always handled my concerns in a timely and fair manner.

But I still do worry about their quality/reliability.

This has been mentioned, but I don't see where anyone has posted the link. Go to about the 33 minute mark to cut to the chase.

My P365 had a born date of 3/11/2018 and had the striker replaced after 150 rounds. I have since replaced the stock MIM striker with an aftermarket stainless steel one. The striker has been the only issue that I have experienced with my P365. No failures to feed or extract or slide not locking back when last round fired. Now that I have a stainless steel striker I feel confident carrying my P365 everyday. Some people may disagree and that's okay. Everyone needs to make their own decision to carry a P365 or not.

Getting tire waiting for return label from Sig. I read one post where he had the same problem but corrected the problem by turning the spring over. Then watched a video where he removed the trigger block using a Glock tool. So I removed the trigger block and discovered the spring had come off the trigger bar. Looking at the spring, one end of the spring has more bend in it compared to the other. Turned the spring so the longer bend goes into the trigger bar pushing it up into sear and lever. Now the trigger works. Now do I still send it back explaining what I have done.

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Originally posted by Bible David:
Getting tire waiting for return label from Sig. I read one post where he had the same problem but corrected the problem by turning the spring over. Then watched a video where he removed the trigger block using a Glock tool. So I removed the trigger block and discovered the spring had come off the trigger bar. Looking at the spring, one end of the spring has more bend in it compared to the other. Turned the spring so the longer bend goes into the trigger bar pushing it up into sear and lever. Now the trigger works. Now do I still send it back explaining what I have done.

Have you fired it yet with the spring reversed? If so and everything is okay I would simply let Sig Customer Service know what you did and see it they still want you to return your P365.

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Originally posted by Bible David:
Getting tire waiting for return label from Sig. I read one post where he had the same problem but corrected the problem by turning the spring over. Then watched a video where he removed the trigger block using a Glock tool. So I removed the trigger block and discovered the spring had come off the trigger bar. Looking at the spring, one end of the spring has more bend in it compared to the other. Turned the spring so the longer bend goes into the trigger bar pushing it up into sear and lever. Now the trigger works. Now do I still send it back explaining what I have done.

Have you fired it yet with the spring reversed? If so and everything is okay I would simply let Sig Customer Service know what you did and see it they still want you to return your P365.

Dry fired it several time. Hope to make it to range by Tuesday at the latest. Will keep you updated.

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Originally posted by cremaley:
My P365 had a born date of 3/11/2018 and had the striker replaced after 150 rounds. I have since replaced the stock MIM striker with an aftermarket stainless steel one. The striker has been the only issue that I have experienced with my P365. No failures to feed or extract or slide not locking back when last round fired. Now that I have a stainless steel striker I feel confident carrying my P365 everyday. Some people may disagree and that's okay. Everyone needs to make their own decision to carry a P365 or not.

Cremaley - May I ask where you purchased the aftermarket SS striker and what it cost...Thanks. Mark

This has all been tremendously disappointing. I'm hoping it's discovered that il this issue is limited to a couple runs off a couple parts, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It is looking like the trigger problem is the spring that keeps the trigger bar up and engaged with the sear. Both ends of this spring look almost the same. It is only after close examination you can see one has more bend to it. This is a human error trap for the person installing and examining it. Sig needs to extend this bend and possibly cut a slot in the trigger bar for it to go into not just a hole.

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Originally posted by sigarmsp226:
Cremaley - May I ask where you purchased the aftermarket SS striker and what it cost...Thanks. Mark

Not him, but they are available at https://shop.lspi.com/Steel-Strikers_c11.htm
Lightning Strike Products.

99 bucks. Ouch.

We're seeing the magnifying effect of the Internet relating to these problems with the P365, and that should pressure Sig-Sauer to work out solutions quickly to the problems related to triggers and strikers. I don't think you can say the P365 is snake-bit, at least not yet. But it might be wise to wait to get one, if you want a self-defense gun you have unchallenged confidence in.

Its counterintuitive, but you have to use a gun a lot to determine if it is reliable, but the more you use it, the closer you are getting to its eventual failure! So people who have P365s should fire away, and report what they observe.

And there is no such thing as 100% reliability in a handgun. I agree with the point about the customer service of the manufacturer being really important.

Some guns have better reputations than others, but many new offerings that turn out to be well respected go through some teething problems. My druthers are S&W revolvers, but S&W has some models with better reps than others, and even revolvers do break. Still, I have enough confidence in my S&W Centennials that I prefer them to all else for concealed carry, because reliability trumps accuracy, round count, good looks, etc.

Cancelled both my orders for 365's. Have stuff I can carry that is actually dependable in-house. Not interested in spending an extra $100 for a striker due to Sig's cost cutting/engineering snafus. Maybe in the (distant) future I'll be able to utilize the 12 round mags and $100 holster purchased in advance. End of rant.

Does SIG use a bar stock steel striker in the P320?

Sorry for the interjection.

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Cancelled both my orders for 365's. Have stuff I can carry that is actually dependable in-house. Not interested in spending an extra $100 for a striker due to Sig's cost cutting/engineering snafus. Maybe in the (distant) future I'll be able to utilize the 12 round mags and $100 holster purchased in advance. End of rant.

For the time being I think you made a smart decision.
Maybe in a couple of years I'll buy one of these. I really wanted to get one. But, rarely for me, common sense prevailed instead.

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Originally posted by Malysh:
Does SIG use a bar stock steel striker in the P320?

Sorry for the interjection.

MIM. Metal injection molding.

I had time at the range to squeeze out a couple hundred rounds in one of the P365's today. Doesn't prove anything, but they were trouble free and for whatever it's worth, I shot it a lot better than the other pistols that I took to the range. I wasn't trying to set speed records and was more interested in reliable function; one lock-back mid-magazine (my fault; thumbs), no pistol issues whatsoever. Beautiful trigger. I jumped back and forth between the 12 round magazine, and the 10-rounds with flush baseplate and finger rest; I didn't notice any difference.

It seems that the failures in the P365 are occurring well after the "break-in" period, and thus far I've only got about five hundred rounds through the pistol. For the time being, it will only get used at the range to see how it holds up. Functionally, thus far, I'm quite pleased with it. I don't think I'd be confident to trust it just yet, but worst-case scenario, if it breaks at the range, I'll have to set it aside and shoot something else.

Look at the rear of your magazine. If you see a vertical gouge on the magazine I suspect you are destined for an eventual trigger reset failure. The drag mark is caused by the reset spring protruding into the mag well.