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"New" rule I learned about at a local indoor range
August 27, 2017, 10:16 AM
10round"New" rule I learned about at a local indoor range
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Can't draw from a holster? Not interested. Can't do emergency reloads? Not interested. Can't multiple shots in less than one second splits? Not interested. And each thing I listed is because of a "klutz". How about SO's just holding people responsible?
Same at my gun club. About all I can do is shoot slow fire at a 50 foot NRA bulls-eye target, I call it the no training rules. BTW, the arm chair commandos who love second guessing LE shoots are regulars at this club and support the club rules; action open and firearm on the table when not in hand, slow fire only, no drawing from the holster... I'd like to run these people through a few "drills" and see how their perception changes.
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August 27, 2017, 11:13 AM
ensigmaticI never have more than one gun uncased at a time, anyway, so I'd have no grief with that rule.
Not certain about holstering/drawing rules. I don't recall seeing any posted at the commercial ranges I use.
They
all have a "one second" rule, but it's not strictly enforced. If you ask them they'll tell you they enforce it, but, once they know (trust) you they'll confide that somebody shooting three-shot strings at a high rate isn't going to raise any eyebrows. It's the idiots blowing through entire magazine-loads as fast as they can, bullets flying every which way, that's for.
What annoys me is the county-run public range nearby prohibiting silhouette targets.
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StramboI'm with Jerry. I haven't been to a public range in decades, there just isn't a point to it.
I drive 45 minutes into state forest land and train how I want, then typically leave with a trash bag of other peoples garbage they left (the only downside).
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dry-flySince this thread has encompassed safety... how do/would you guys handle being at a range and having another "shooter" that's making you uncomfortable? Not necessarily being unsafe...that type of action I would point out to the RO and pack up. I'm talking about borderline behavior, just enough to make you uncomfortable. No right or wrong, I'm just curious about what y'all would do. Leave? Voice a concern to the RO? What other options are there?
"Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen...
August 27, 2017, 11:54 AM
PeterGVIt depends on HOW uncomfortable. Just "a little"... I try to keep an eye on the clown. Any more than that, I'm gone.
If the RO doesn't notice on his own, I'm not about pointing out stuff I don't like. My business is to take care of myself. If I don't feel safe, I leave.
August 27, 2017, 12:07 PM
grumpy1I went to my local range yesterday to try out the new Gen 5 Glock 19. I have not been there on a weekend in a couple years and now remember why. I put my target at 7 yards and was getting the Glock ready and some idiot starts shooting at my target WTF? That means they were hitting the wall too. I go to the counter and tell the range guys "hey they are rapid firing in there and someone is shooting at my target so can I get a new one?". I here some swearing mumbling and then they go in the range I was in and they loudly reiterate the rules.
It's over a two hour drive to a public outdoor range so I am stuck going to indoor range. I am sure many are in the same boat. Going there on weekdays is much much better though. No ROs in the range itself and the counter guys watch via cameras.
August 27, 2017, 12:08 PM
dry-flySounds about right.
"Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen...
August 27, 2017, 12:12 PM
dry-flyCobra21 and I have I pretty good here. There are 2 or 3 indoor ranges that are run pretty tight, but not overly so. Only issue I ever really have is when 3+ people get put on one lane with an AR and they keep doing mag dumps.
"Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen...
August 27, 2017, 03:15 PM
jbcummingsquote:
Originally posted by Fusternc:
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Tne first and only time my wife went with me to the range, the idiot in the shooting bay next to ours had a "malfunction." Gun range clerk came in to help him, and turns out he was mismatching ammunition calibers into the wrong gun!
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Well I have to admit I did this once, but not because I had multiple guns out. I was taking the P226 .22lr to shoot, got it out loaded up the two magazines I brought popped one in the well, took aim and pulled the trigger. Nothing!
I had picked up the 9mm P226 from the safe instead of the .22. <headslap>
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August 27, 2017, 03:58 PM
Cobra21quote:
Originally posted by jljones: ...Can't draw from a holster? Not interested. Can't do emergency reloads? Not interested. Can't multiple shots in less than one second splits? Not interested. And each thing I listed is because of a "klutz". How about SO's just holding people responsible?...
jl, there would not be but maybe a half dozen commercial ranges in the country if they had to require that from the yahoos I shoot next to on a weekly basis.
Risk the consequences of honesty...
August 27, 2017, 04:44 PM
AGFNTBThe indoor range I belong to allows multiple guns on the firing line bench as long as they are action open. If they are not on the firing line bench they must be cased. They must be transported from the back bench to the firing line bench cased. Given some of the yahoos I've seen I am glad they have this rule (and AR500 barriers between lanes
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August 27, 2017, 06:38 PM
az4783054Democrats should not be allowed to run shooting ranges...
August 27, 2017, 07:03 PM
Butch 2340quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
This is a timely thread.
I went to my local indoor range last week. I was the first one on the range, went to my lane and noticed that the hanger was missing. There was just a simple hook. OK, maybe they're doing maintenance on this lane. I went to the next lane, same deal. I walked back out and the clerk gave me a cardboard hanger that attaches to the hook. You attach your target to the cardboard hanger. There's a horizontal line drawn near the bottom of the hanger. When you return the hanger to the clerk, every bullet hole above that line costs you 5 bucks.
The hangers they used to have up had bullet deflection shields over them and I guess the range guys got tired of having to repair these hangers. Man, I've been shooting at indoor ranges for 40 years, and I have never shot the wall, ceiling, floor or a ding dang target hanger.
I was at the range a few months back and there were a group of twenty-somethings on the rifle range who had rented a Draco AK pistol. They kept hitting the concrete with rounds, sparks flying up, concrete dust all in the air. What a trip. I finished up PDQ and left.
My local started doing that a few months ago, the only thing I don't like is that it lowers the targets a bit and it something else to carry and keep up with.
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August 27, 2017, 07:06 PM
FN in MTI've seen so many insane things at Ranges. I don't blame any Range with not allowing non LEO's to draw from a holster.
Or to have more than one weapon out and being operated at one time.
The AVERAGE shooter...meaning the guy who shoots occasionally....this stuff is NOT his life... Can be borderline unsafe anyway.
August 27, 2017, 07:46 PM
wrightdquote:
Originally posted by Fredward:
I quit my gun club over oppressive rules. They wanted a chamber flag in each weapon, and weapons not in use had to be hung on a peg board behind the line. You had to take a test for each type of weapon-handgun, rifle, shotgun. I wasn't about to hang a two thousand dollar handgun on a pegboard behind me. And, they charged several hundred dollars a year for this nonsense, and it was a 40 mile drive. Not for me.
Good Gawd. I would never hang any kind of gun on a peg, let alone behind me. You loose total control of the gun, notwithstanding the fact that it could be stolen. Moving guns back and forth from and to the firing line increases the possibility for problems as well. That's just effin stupid.
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Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster August 27, 2017, 07:52 PM
wrightdquote:
Originally posted by rbert0005:
You can't shoot 2 or 3 guns at a time, so what's your beef?
The guy in the next lane will appreciate it.
Bob
The Problem is that there is no room in the booth to put the cold gun in a case, unless I stop out of the booth to perform various gun and gun case movements while trying to avoid taking the gun out of, the booth to put into the case that's on the floor behind my booth. It seems all the gun movement necessitated by this rule increases the risk for problems because it seems to me that moving guns around is more risky than letting them sit on your shooting table with open actions and chamber flags. I'm more comfortable with a bunch of guns sitting on a shooting booth table with chamber flags than I am with a bunch of guns being cased and uncased behind the firing line.
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Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster August 27, 2017, 07:53 PM
slammrStupid BS range Nazis. I'm sick of their crap
August 27, 2017, 08:15 PM
wrightdquote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
This is a timely thread.
I went to my local indoor range last week. I was the first one on the range, went to my lane and noticed that the hanger was missing. There was just a simple hook. OK, maybe they're doing maintenance on this lane. I went to the next lane, same deal. I walked back out and the clerk gave me a cardboard hanger that attaches to the hook. You attach your target to the cardboard hanger. There's a horizontal line drawn near the bottom of the hanger. When you return the hanger to the clerk, every bullet hole above that line costs you 5 bucks.
The hangers they used to have up had bullet deflection shields over them and I guess the range guys got tired of having to repair these hangers. Man, I've been shooting at indoor ranges for 40 years, and I have never shot the wall, ceiling, floor or a ding dang target hanger.
I was at the range a few months back and there were a group of twenty-somethings on the rifle range who had rented a Draco AK pistol. They kept hitting the concrete with rounds, sparks flying up, concrete dust all in the air. What a trip. I finished up PDQ and left.
Damn, that sucks. I'd do the same thing, and have. The management at some ranges is sub par for sure. If I was RO I would have pulled them out of the range, kindly explain to them that they could come back if they would take class xyz, and try again. Losing a customer for safety issues is better than loosing a customer from a sucking chest wound. Jeez.
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Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster August 28, 2017, 08:31 AM
DJ_Bostonmy local range has that same rule, but they don't enforce it. I have a P7M8 and by default have to have more than one out at a time. It doesn't cool quickly enough in the padded (insulated) case to make it worth my time.
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August 28, 2017, 10:48 AM
parabellumquote:
Originally posted by wrightd:
If I was RO I would have pulled them out of the range....
There is no RO.