quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
Oh, Wikipedia. They ace everything. Everyone knows that.

Look, you're simply wrong. Normally, I would have said "Sorry, you're mistaken" but when you try to tell us the High Power was introduced in 2022, I feel no obligation to be gentle. That's damn silly.

Here is a whole FN Forum that you need to preach to about the nomenclature of your preference of how Belgians would label their pistol if the actually spoke English of which is not their native language.

https://www.fnforum.net/forums/fn-hi-power.44/

You may not believe it, but I assure you that running around the internet looking for evidence in an effort to sway me nets you nothing.

The pistol is the High Power, and decades of Browning marketing and decades of people being misled about the correct nomenclature for this pistol by that marketing changes nothing for those of us who adhere to history and facts.

FNH-USA can call that pistol they introduced "High Power" but it is not a High Power, just as calling it "Cheese Danish" doesn't make it pastry. If you are determined to be obtuse, that's your privilege, but you're not selling that stuff in this forum.

I pronounce it Gerrrrsonnnn. I almost bought a fairly cheap SA PA35 yesterday. It seems like a pretty good copy but then I remembered I don’t need any new guns. Apparently my gun store bought a massive shit ton of SA “vault” guns which as I understand it are guns displayed at SHOT show and similar events. Not used but not new either.

That’s why I never took French. Puissance doesn’t like Power to this rednecks ears. At all. Stupid French. Lol

Little known fact- Browning’s first choice of name for the pistol was the Hello-Power but they decided it sounded too formal.

I’ve never shot one. I’ve heard folks say they hammer bite worse than 1911’s, and I have a 1911 I don’t shoot much because it hammer bites the bejeebus out of me every time. I don’t know that something that’s worse about that is a pistol I wanna mess with much.

“Hi-Power” comes off like “drive-thru” or pronouncing “ambidextrous” as “ambidextrious” to me. Just because some illiterates repeated something enough to get a bunch of other illiterates to repeat it doesn’t mean that is what it actually is. There’s a major difference between “accepted” and ”correct.”

quote:

Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I’ve never shot one. I’ve heard folks say they hammer bite worse than 1911’s, and I have a 1911 I don’t shoot much because it hammer bites the bejeebus out of me every time. I don’t know that something that’s worse about that is a pistol I wanna mess with much.

Depends which hammer is installed. There are bite free hammers out there or you can try the Girsans with the beavertail. However, they all need a good trigger job because even without the magazine disconnector, the trigger is still about 7#.

The Springfield SA-35 has had it's bugs ironed out and worth trying out.

Great Power is the translation. No “high” indicated.
https://dictionary.reverso.net...ish/grande+puissance

quote:

Originally posted by Surfgun:
This is a Hi-Power.

The FN High Power was introduced in 2022.

Umm, you are very wrong.

The Fabrique Nationale High Power was first released in 1935, years after Dieudonné Saive, FN's designer, took over John Browning's original design and changed/improved them, including changing the original stiker mechanism to a SA external hammer design, along with a thumb safety. When Browning Arms brought the High Power to the U.S. in the mid 1950s, they marketed the gun as "Hi-Power" to avoid confusion with the company's "High-Power" bolt action rifle. FN's original pistol and subsequent variants sold by FN were labeled as High Power.

This American Rifleman refers to the FN pistol as the High Power. Hell, even the title is "Browning High Power.

quote:

Originally posted by oddball:

quote:

Originally posted by Surfgun:
This is a Hi-Power.

The FN High Power was introduced in 2022.

Umm, you are very wrong.

The Fabrique Nationale High Power was first released in 1935, years after Dieudonné Saive, FN's designer, took over John Browning's original design and changed/improved them, including changing the original stiker mechanism to a SA external hammer design, along with a thumb safety. When Browning Arms brought the High Power to the U.S. in the mid 1950s, they marketed the gun as "Hi-Power" to avoid confusion with the company's "High-Power" bolt action rifle. FN's original pistol and subsequent variants sold by FN were labeled as High Power.

This American Rifleman refers to the FN pistol as the High Power. Hell, even the title is "Browning High Power.

“Very”. A bit extreme?

It would appear the Belgian’ called it a Great Power.
Some English speakers refer to it as a High Power. The other segment including the American Importer referred to it as a Hi-Power.
So anyone making hay and pointing the finger at a so called ignoramus is a bit extreme? No? We know where at least a couple forum members fall.

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
Little known fact- Browning’s first choice of name for the pistol was the Hello-Power but they decided it sounded too formal.

LOLOL

That's the spirit. Keep plugging away.

As I've told you before, you're simply wrong. Since you persist with behaving as if you know things you really don't, here's a bit of proof I'd say is undeniable.



Stevens' The Browning High Power Automatic Pistol - Chapter Five: Casablanca Days- The Thousand-Metre High Power. Page 58:

Illustration 52 says "Sectional view of the earliest High Power pistol, as fitted with the thousand-metre tangent sight. FN part numbers refer to parts opposite. Total number of parts, tangent sight model, 56; fixed-sight model, 52. From the first FN High Power manual, produced in 1934."

Now, aside from the author's text quoted above, everything else you see in this image is from an illustration in the very first manual for the pistol.

What do you see above the cutaway of the pistol? Anything jump out at you?





More:

Chapter Eight of the same book: The Canadian Connection - A Different View of the War. Page 111

Anything jump at you? Any abbreviations, perhaps?



If that's not enough for you, I can pull out my copy of Clive M. Laws' Inglis Diamond - The Canadian High Power Pistol. I'm confident I'll find further early references to the GP as the "High Power", though, unlike Stevens' book, I don't have Laws' in e-book form, so getting images of the text into the forum would be a bit more labor intensive.

It must be time for Parabellum to become the new curator of the NRA Museum as they are simply clueless:
https://www.nramuseum.org/the-...utomatic-pistol.aspx

Or the Royal Armory Museum in London:
https://royalarmouries.org/col...object/object-274106

You're clueless, truly, you are. I took the time to provide you with early references to the High Power and you ignore it and come back with website references made in the modern era.

Not only do you not have any idea what you're talking about, you just brush off facts when they're laid at your feet.

So, here's the deal- You have all the earmarks of a troll, and you're going to leave this forum.

Happy now, sport?

quote:

Originally posted by Surfgun:

“Very”. A bit extreme?

Well, how about "horribly", or "incredibly", or "tremendously"?

Tell you what, I'll settle for "fucking". Seems to fit the case now.

The cover of an FN-published English language manual for the High Power from the 1960s.






Cutaway from the same manual, referring to the pistol as the "Browning High Power Automatic Pistol" just as it does on the cover.

^^^^^^^
And the author of this book "FN Browning Pistols-Sidearms That Shaped World History" started a thread in another gun forum and says exactly what you stated:

quote:

I have addressed this subject in several books/articles in various ways, somehow I feel that I have failed to communicate this effectively. Even longtime collectors often get this wrong or continue to use the nomenclature incorrectly just because they are used to one terminology over another.

HIGH POWER: The original FN terminology as marketed in all languages, applies to all pistols marked Fabrique Nationale. Including prewar, wartime and postwar manufacture. HIGH POWER was, and still is, the correct FN factory terminology.

HI-POWER: This term was introduced by Browning USA (in the 1950s) for their commercial pistols when they planned on importing the (Mauser based) sporting rifle. The rifle became known as the HIGH POWER RIFLE. The pistol became the HI-POWER. This terminology applies only to pistols marked BROWNING ARMS COMPANY. The majority of these pistols were commercial sales in the U.S. and Canada. The term was also used later by Browning Intl. after FN acquired Browning.

LINK

Thank you. At this point, only fools and trolls will deny what is evident, and ol' Surfgun seems to fall into both categories.

I was getting to the point where I was going to tell Surfgun to stay out of my thread.
But then I thought, 'lets see where this goes.'

Anyway, I got to shoot the HIGH POWER today. It was not a good range day.

I cringed when my brother told me the gun only came w/ one mag. Sure enough, the mag lips were not up to the task and the next round would feed straight up.

So I did some one shot, very slow fire, one handed, bulls-eye style. The trigger was everything I read about, could be better. The front sight coupled w/ my vision in an indoor range had me struggling. Other than that it shot fine.
I even got my first ever hammer bite.
But I'm looking forward to trying again when new mags arrive. I'm assuming the plethora of new HP clones have mags that will work?

Next up was also a first. My brother's HK P7.
What a sweet trigger. Sights were better also but I then had a ND (safely down range) while I was testing the trigger reset. Apparently I let the squeeze cocker out too far while I was around the reset mark, pulled the trigger in w/ no bang. Then I started to lower the gun and elbows and "bang". Good to know.
But also a tack driver.

But wait, it gets better (worse)
Brother also has a mini-Mac full-auto w/ a suppressor. Around his 4th mag he had a lite strike or something and tried the cartridge again, and then a third time w/ no joy.

So he sets the gun on the shooting bench, turns around to the equipment bench to grab a knife to pull the offender out the rest of the way. The brass is sticking out a little bit and as he gets to the shootine bench to address it, "POP".
A delayed primer sent a fragment to his neck and his stomach.
Other than getting blood and a hole on his Wayland-Yutani Corp t-shirt, he's ok.

I did warn him he's probably got a squib in the barrel from that "POP". It did and it still had a little bit of the neck casing around it.

We packed up at that point.

In between I shot my carry Glock Gen5 26 and my old Gen 2 17 and of course those ran fine.

quote:

Originally posted by dsiets:
I was getting to the point where I was going to tell Surfgun to stay out of my thread.
But then I thought, 'lets see where this goes.'

Educational, was it not? I'll wager more than a few people learned a thing or two.

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
Little known fact- Browning’s first choice of name for the pistol was the Hello-Power but they decided it sounded too formal.

Damn, Para, you posted this 2 days too late!
I was out shooting with a bunch of friends on the 16th and did about 250 rounds or so with my BHP…
Some of the other guys shot it too.
Sure the hell could have used this joke!