I love my P365, but I'm shooting everything low left because of the small grip and its angle. What's been everyone's experience in simply adding a few layers of grip tape on the backstrap to fill the hand a little more and tilt the barrel upward?

Thanks!

Curved trigger or straight trigger? You 'may' find the straight trigger enables you to 'shoot straighter'.

Sorry I couldn't resist, but it definitely can be a thing, as the straight trigger 'can' promote better trigger finger placement on the trigger shoe, resulting in a lower likelihood of 'pulling' your shot(s).

The Wilson Combat Grip Module may also help/work better for you as it adds palm swell and fills the hand a bit better than the OEM Grip Module, which is rather 'hockey stick' like. Personally, I like the SIG P365X configuration and added the XL Grip Module to my Std P365 right out of the case as I want (need!) my pinky on the grip for adequate purchase on the pistol! YMMV

There are like a ton of grip modules out there I am guessing you could find one that would work better then layering tape.

That said you know what one of the marks of an experienced shooter is? When they say “I AM shooting low and left” and realize it’s the shooter and far less likely the gun.

Don't know if this will help or not but I replaced my front sight to a #6, as the sight that comes on it is a #8. Once I did this, my aim/shots were where they should be. I really don't care for the combat sight picture, as my other guns are not set up that way.

If it is actually your grip, I would look at the Xl grip, as you can get a better grip on the gun.

A #6 front sight would actually make your pistol shoot lower than a #8. (2 inches lower at 25 yds.)

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Originally posted by cslinger:
There are like a ton of grip modules out there I am guessing you could find one that would work better then layering tape.

That said you know what one of the marks of an experienced shooter is? When they say “I AM shooting low and left” and realize it’s the shooter and far less likely the gun.

This ^^^

When I first got my P365 it also shot low and left. Looking at the top of the slide I found the rear sight was left of center so got out my digital calipers which confirmed that observation. A bit of time in a soft jaw vice and I had that rear sight on center and the pistol shooting low and on center. Previous experience with my Ruger LC9S Pro led me to try some 147 grain ammo that I use in the Ruger because that is what the sights were regulated for. By golly I now have a P365 that shoots spot on to the sights.

The lesson I learned here is to always check the sights on a new pistol, because much too often they are set to "good enough". The second lesson is try a variety of ammunition profiles and weights and see what works best.

PS; I currently have three 9mm pistols regulated for 147 grain bullets. They are my 9mm SR1911 CMD, my Ruger LC9S Pro, and my P365. With my TZ75 the sights are regulated for 125 grain bullets.

I guess I should get a bit specific. You may have a push flinch. Low and Left is very typical for right handed new shooters with a push flinch. Note, Lefties go low and right. If you are a relatively new shooter placing a snap cap in the middle of a loaded magazine will illustrate your flinch as soon as you pull the trigger on that snap cap.

If you don't have a flinch issue then it can be a sighting issue with the gun itself. The 9mm is a Defensive Caliber and pistol manufacturers will set up their pistols for what they feel is the best choice of a Defensive ammunition. As a result there is a rather high degree of elevation variation due to bullet weights used by the gun manufacturer.

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You are anticipating/flinching. There’s nothing you should do to the gun; you need to work on you. My recommendation is to get yourself used to the bang and recoil. Train yourself that the pistol isn’t going to fly out of your hands. If you don’t believe this is the case, have someone load a mag for you and include a snap cap or two somewhere. You’ll find out you dip the pistol.

A lot of people suggest dry fire to ingrain the good fundamentals. And it can’t hurt (unless you practice bad habits). But what you’re reacting to can’t be simulated with dry fire. You need to start with a mag dump. Just get yourself used to the noise and feel.

The bad news is, it could be a compound issue. You could be flinching, snatching the trigger, peeking over the sights, or any combination. But I’d start working on your flinch. And double up your ear pro too.

I agree, most likely it is shooter error expecting the recoil. At the range, rest the pistol on a block of carpeted wood or similar support. Try hard to hold the gun still, and pull only on the trigger finger. Also ask someone else to carefully fire a few rounds.

Once errors in the gun itself are resolved, practice the bump drill. Bump drill and dry firing should make a huge difference. I used to be a poor shot until I took a three day class from Jerry Jones at OpSpec Training. A two or three day quality class will train you to use proper trigger pull, and you will stop wasting ammo.

It's amazing how often I read on gun forums guys complaining "the gun is
off". If I'm not shooting well, my first thought is that it's me, not the gun.

Low left is usually technique. Low is sometimes due to Sig's habit of using sights calling for you to blot out the POI with the front dot.

A friend just yesterday asked me to shoot his P365 to see if it is him or the gun that is off center.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Low left is usually technique.

In a way. I own a gun that I shoot low left, unless I hold it in some strange, non natural way. Curl my thumb in tight and tuck it down as low as I can. Then it's okay. So yes, it's me and my grip, hand size/shape. But since I don't have this issue with a hundred or so other models, it's safe to blame it on the gun design as much as my hand.

I couldn't warm up to the 365 because it always feels like the heel of the grip is very high in the palm of my hand and the muzzle low. Yeah I have big hands, but no other gun feels that way to me.

We may not like it, but one size does not fit all. Some guns just don't work well for some people.

Something cheap to try is the hogue hand all grip sleeve. I had this issue with a hellcat and a shield and put them on and it was just enough to fill in the thin grip and also gave me good grip and helped with the recoil some too. The hellcats rear sight was also off a little too so don’t rule that out for the left part. I confirmed it was off with a red dot, laser and also shooting my wife’s identical gun and shooting it straight compared to mine. It shoots good now. The low part was definitely me though. I developed an anticipation flinch somehow and just got it worked out recently. What worked for me was using a laser and dry firing, keeping the dot on target, and then repeating it with a live round right after. This also worked well for some newer shooters I was helping out.

Like others have posted, low left for a right handed shooter is usually shot / recoil anticipation.

It can also be the gun so I always recommend having another experienced shooter or two shoot it to see if they get the same result.

But it can also be an improper grip. When I first bought my P365XL, I shot high left when I gripped the gun naturally. I've got big hands and the stock 365 grip is small and narrow so I must have been heeling the gun. I had another instructor shoot the gun and it shot balls on for him. He has small hands. I swapped out the stock module with a Wilson Combat module and it instantly fixed my issue.

Just my experience and .02

Good luck!

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Originally posted by Mc45:
Something cheap to try is the hogue hand all grip sleeve. I had this issue with a hellcat and a shield and put them on and it was just enough to fill in the thin grip and also gave me good grip and helped with the recoil some too.

This is what made the P365 shootable for me. The factory grip was just too small for my hands, and the handall grip sleeve bulked it up just enough to give me decent grip purchase. If nothing else it's worth a try....cheap, easy, and makes no permanent modifications to the gun.

If that alone doesn't fix it, I'd suggest having another trusted shooter try the gun before you start making changes to sights or other mechanical components.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Low left is usually technique. Low is sometimes due to Sig's habit of using sights calling for you to blot out the POI with the front dot. Low is sometimes due to Sig's habit of using sights calling for you to blot out the POI with the front dot.

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