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Okay, but how many people buy mid-grade 1911s, make by any one of a number of major (and minor) manufacturers. Given the number of companies making them, quite a few I think.

Those people might like an all metal double stack 1911 derived carry gun. But they probably don't want to pay $3000 for the privilege. They very well be willing to pay $800-1000. On the flip side, a company that's cranking out standard-ish 1911s might want a gun to differentiate it from the mid-grade pack. This could do it.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
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Okay, but how many people buy mid-grade 1911s, make by any one of a number of major (and minor) manufacturers. Given the number of companies making them, quite a few I think.

Those people might like an all metal double stack 1911 derived carry gun. But they probably don't want to pay $3000 for the privilege. They very well be willing to pay $800-1000. On the flip side, a company that's cranking out standard-ish 1911s might want a gun to differentiate it from the mid-grade pack. This could do it.

Ha, go to that 1911 forum and read in general. People will swear up and down a $500 Rock Island 1911 is just as good as a Springfield Loaded or Kimber Custom. For half the price.

In 20 years or whenever Wilson's patents expire there will probably be some super light ceramic material gun shooting paper bullets and polymer and lead will be to heavy for that generation of snowflakes. LOL!

I noticed Pre-Orders are now being accepted. Shipping begins in April. Thinking about taking my Sig P220 Legion money and putting it towards another Wilson. I am sure the list of pre-orders has grown and this would not be in my hands until later this year if I go that route.

I'm in no position to buy a 3 thousand dollar pistol right now, but this little baby checks an awful lot of boxes for what I'm looking for in a handgun. I can easily see letting a couple of other guns go and saving up some money for this one.

Also, thanks to those who addressed my holster question.

What Wilson patents? I don't see anything in this gun that's patentable, except maybe the grip attachement, and even that'd doubtful and not particularly important. As others have said, STI is already making a somewhat similar gun.

There's nothing to stop any other gun maker from building a functionally equivalent gun (which I'm defining as a compact double stack 9mm based on the 1911 design pattern and mechanisms, but not completely compatible with existing 1911 parts.)

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Originally posted by gaspipes:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
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Okay, but how many people buy mid-grade 1911s, make by any one of a number of major (and minor) manufacturers. Given the number of companies making them, quite a few I think.

Those people might like an all metal double stack 1911 derived carry gun. But they probably don't want to pay $3000 for the privilege. They very well be willing to pay $800-1000. On the flip side, a company that's cranking out standard-ish 1911s might want a gun to differentiate it from the mid-grade pack. This could do it.

Ha, go to that 1911 forum and read in general. People will swear up and down a $500 Rock Island 1911 is just as good as a Springfield Loaded or Kimber Custom. For half the price.

In 20 years or whenever Wilson's patents expire there will probably be some super light ceramic material gun shooting paper bullets and polymer and lead will be to heavy for that generation of snowflakes. LOL!

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Originally posted by Rick_Perry:
I noticed Pre-Orders are now being accepted. Shipping begins in April. Thinking about taking my Sig P220 Legion money and putting it towards another Wilson. I am sure the list of pre-orders has grown and this would not be in my hands until later this year if I go that route.

Just one point of reference- I spoke with Wilson customer service last week- they told me it is a 4-6 month delivery window right now with well over 400 pistols on pre-order and they are still making the parts to build the pistols.

I know most of you guys are younger than me, so I will tell you a story. Years ago, there was a write up on one of the first super premium 1911's in American Handgunner. It had a price tag of $5,000. The writer said the gun was first class and worked perfectly. He ended the article by saying that his idea of a $5,000 1911 was a NEW Datsun pickup with a Colt Commander in the glove box.

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Originally posted by maxwayne:
I know most of you guys are younger than me, so I will tell you a story. Years ago, there was a write up on one of the first super premium 1911's in American Handgunner. It had a price tag of $5,000. The writer said the gun was first class and worked perfectly. He ended the article by saying that his idea of a $5,000 1911 was a NEW Datsun pickup with a Colt Commander in the glove box.

$5000 buys a lot less than it did when Datsun was a thing.

Here's my take on it. Wilson for whatever reason doesn't do well when they deviate with a new pistol based on the 1911. They produce a bunch in the start, it tapers off, then they disontinue it. Just like the Wilson KZ, and the 9mm they produced after the KZ whose name escapes me at the moment.

I can understand the scaled down 9mm 1911s, but this son of a gun is dang near as thick as a P226 Legion SAO.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
Here's my take on it. Wilson for whatever reason doesn't do well when they deviate with a new pistol based on the 1911. They produce a bunch in the start, it tapers off, then they disontinue it. Just like the Wilson KZ, and the 9mm they produced after the KZ whose name escapes me at the moment.

Prior to the KZ, they built STI/2011 pattern guns on Strayer-Tripp frames. They'd probably have more success if they went back to that as opposed to a bunch of proprietary guns with proprietary parts and proprietary magazines.

I had an injury that kept me out of shooting for a couple years. Prior to that, I was set to buy a spec ops 9.

By the time life was back to normal, they discontinued it. I was super bummed. I bought an STI Guardian 9mm...IT WAS ABSOLUTE JUNK!!!! I own several high end semi customs and full blowns, I will never buy an STI product again. I posted a thread about it here.

After 8 months of fighting and sending the gun back sever times, and a legal threat, I finally got them to give me money back.

I will certainly buy at least one of these Wilsons. It checks all of my boxes!

For the people who always complain about the price in these threads, just stop already. This gun clearly isn't made for you. I don't need 3 $1,000 guns or 6 $500 guns. I want a Wilson double stack 9mm and $3k seems reasonable. I will never understand why people always drop these comments.

The "nice but I can't buy it" comments I get, but the others, just stop.

Buy once, cry once.

I own quite a few full custom 1911s so I am a 1911 fan. However, I do not mean to rain on someone's parade, but I will pass on this pistol for a number of reasons. First, it is not the proven 1911 design; but an entirely new one. Second, I do not know how hard it is to disassemble and re assemble. I have the Wilson Spec OP ( dropped by Wilson) and do not shoot it because of the difficulty of putting it back together. Third, you are limited to only Wilson sights on the pistol. That is a proprietary cut on the front sight. No other custom manufacturer limits you like this. Fourth this pistol is much heavier than a Glock 19 or a Sig 320 making it more uncomfortable to carry. Fifth, I will not take the beating that a Glock or Sig 320 will take. You can shoot steel case in either of those two inexpensive pistols without worrying about what will break. Not so with the $3,000 Wilson. Thanks but I will stick to my Sig 320.

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Originally posted by The Viking:
I own quite a few full custom 1911s so I am a 1911 fan.

So as not to derail this thread, Viking please post up some photos of your full customs in the 1911 Porn thread, I'd love to see them being a big fan of them myself. I'd agree about some manufactures being limited, I had to send an Ed Brown to Nighthawk for customizations once because Brown wouldn't do the work. Nighthawk always built them anyway I wanted, but Wilson does some excellent work within their specs and options.

Well, that's why they make different guns. If someone tried to give me a Sig 320 I wouldn't even accept it.

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Thanks for the link. One REALLY interesting tidbit I got out of that.

From the Wilson rep

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...The finest quality production handgun ever built, the SIG 210, was kind of the inspiration in some ways for this gun. Extreme precision. Tight tolerances. Elegant design. Less handwork, but only after a huge outlay in tooling and machinery (and engineering expenses!)..

A bit OT, but nice tip of the hat. Nice tie-in, too, in the sense that neither single-action pistol has a grip safety.

Dang it I should not have read this thread.

Already mentally juggling my safe-contents.

That Wilson is sweet.

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Originally posted by just1tym:

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Originally posted by The Viking:
I own quite a few full custom 1911s so I am a 1911 fan.

So as not to derail this thread, Viking please post up some photos of your full customs in the 1911 Porn thread, I'd love to see them being a big fan of them myself. I'd agree about some manufactures being limited, I had to send an Ed Brown to Nighthawk for customizations once because Brown wouldn't do the work. Nighthawk always built them anyway I wanted, but Wilson does some excellent work within their specs and options.

Sorry I do not list or picture the firearms I own in a public forum. I started collecting custom 1911's before Wilson put fiber optics on their pistols. I had to fight with them for five years before they would put them on the pistols. My first customs were Wilsons and I still like them a lot. However, as I got older I found I needed bigger sights and Wilson could not supply those with that stupid proprietary cut on the front of the pistol. Like you I have gravitated to Night Hawk as I find them more helpful than any other custom maker. My last few pistols have been from Nighthawk.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
Well, that's why they make different guns. If someone tried to give me a Sig 320 I wouldn't even accept it.

Just out of curiosity, why is that?