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I'm exploring this route actively, not sure what I'm going to do with it yet. Reason I'm replying to this post instead of the OP's is because I've had small J frames, and I own a S&W 438 (airweight .38SPL, shrouded hammer) pretty much so when people say "I'm thinking about a J-frame" I can take them to the range and let them experience it for themselves. Almost universal comment is "no thanks, I'll shoot anything else." Subcompact or "micro-" nines don't bother me at all...but the snubby is just unpleasant even with mild 38SPL loads to me. I do like the niche that it has - my "around the house" or "going for milk" gun that just gets tossed in an easy-on AIWB holster - but every time I put it on I feel guilty knowing that I don't shoot it anywhere near as well as...well just about anything in my safe. I've been looking at lower caliber options for a while now and 22WMR might just do it. ---------------------------------------- Death smiles at us all. Be sure you smile back. | |||
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Rob- Things to consider about the 351c or PD: -The trigger pull is heavy. Has to be, to set off a Rimfire cartridge. -Cylinder is aluminum, which heats up quickly. After 4-5 cylinders’ worth being fired, it can be difficult to extract the spent brass. -It’s loud. A good thing. -The SD offerings in .22WMR are pretty dang good, all things considered. -It is truly an invisible gun in terms of size and especially weight. | |||
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Speaking of the 22 mag, some may not know you can safely shoot 22 ‘WRF’ ammo in the mag chamber. Yes, you have to hunt them down, but they are out there. I’ve chronograph 22 WRF ammo, often slower than most 22 LR rounds. They really tame the blast & noise compared to 22 mag in the short barrel. | |||
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If buying a 9mm revolver today, my choice would be the SP101. Does Ruger still put that warning on 9mm LCRs? "115 grain bullet only" They did this for the 9mm chambering of the LCR because unlike conventional ammunition for revolvers, the bullet is not crimped in the case mouth to the same degree. .38, .357, et al headspace on the case rim. The 9x19mm cartridge- like most auto pistol cartridges- headspaces on the case mouth. A taper crimp is employed. So, when your 15 ounce revolver recoils, there is a tendency for bullets in chambers adjacent to the one being fired, to jump their crimp. Worst case scenario: a bullet jumps forward and sticks out the front of the cylinder, disabling the revolver. The 9mm SP101 carries no such warning. At 25 ounces, it's not susceptible to the above. This is something to consider, especially if you shoot reloaded ammunition. Ruger's Speed Six was offered in 9x19. I own one of these. Here's an old photo showing my 9x19 Speed Six on the upper left. Also shown is my Speed Six in .357, and a GP100 on the right.  | |||
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^^^^^ The first time I saw that picture was the first time I found out they made a 9mm speed six and it immediately became a grail gun for me. I finally got one a couple years back and it’s a fun gun to shoot, and would make a fine carry gun too. For some reason I like revolvers chambered in autoloading pistol calibers so it also was a nice addition to my small collection. Here’s mine with my 10mm GP100 and Redhawk in .45 Colt/.45acp.  “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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Pale Horse and Para, those are some sweet Rugers you have there. I don't NEED a revolver chambered in 9mm...I don't have any practical need for one...but if I found one of those I'd probably have to buy it. | |||
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Okay all... I think I have settled on 2 different revolvers. The 442 (.38 Special +P) and the 351 (.22 Magnum). Currently, I cannot find a 351. I will probably get one when they are available as my wife is considering pocket carrying one. With the 442, I am torn between the standard version and the performance center version. I handled a 442 no lock standard version yesterday and liked everything except the trigger pull. It is the size and weight I was looking for. The performance center gun is obviously worked over and is supposed to have a smoother pull and reduced pull weight at a price premium ($519 for the standard version versus $750-$825 for the performance center guns). My question for the revolver guys out there is this... is it worth the premium price for the performance center, or would I be better off getting a standard version and working it over myself. I have done quite a bit of work on SIGs including total tear-downs/rebuilds and polishing of the fire control groups. I also have all of the tools, stones, etc. From what I can see. most of the trigger jobs include changing the hammer spring and rebound spring (about $15 for the pair), some light polishing/honing of the rebound slide and the mating frame sections, and a lot of dry firing to smooth out the sear surfaces. Is it as simple as that? If so, I may do that, get some Hogue smooth G-10's (or sand down some piranha), buy some high-lume/high contrast paint for the front sight, and buy a Vedder pocket holster and call it good. I understand I will be giving up the laser grips, but I am not hung up on that as I typically do not like the extra bulk the Crimson Trace grips add. Thanks again. I have learned quit a bit so from from this thread alone. The "Boz" | |||
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I think the Wilson spring kit is $9. If you have the tools, you can do it yourself. Don’t pry the side plate off- requires non mar hammer and patience. | |||
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I believe the performance center version is also cut for moon clips, but I could be wrong about that. If that's not a feature that you'd use, I definitely think you can clean up the trigger pull yourself. My 640 Pro, which to my understanding is supposed to be a performance center gun, didn't come with a trigger that's any better than any of my other J-Frames. It's not a bad trigger at all...it just didn't feel any different than my others. Lightly polish the internals and the ends of your springs and you'll be good to go. I'm not a fan of lightening the springs as you can get light strikes pretty easily with these guns....I've experienced it myself, and have heard numerous reports of the same from others online, even with some of the big name kits. Lighter rebound springs just make the trigger return feel weak IMO. I'd rather deal with the heavier pull and know that it's going to go bang. Polishing should make it smooth and consistent, which IMO is more important than light. And yes, like sigfourme said, don't pry the side-plate off! Keep tapping the grip frame...it'll eventually pop loose. I usually use the plastic or wooden handle of a screwdriver. | |||
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Sig & 92... Thanks. I watch a lot of Mark Novak's Anvil YouTube Channel. He has shown how to remove a side plate correctly many times. I have a 3 oz. nylon hammer for that type of thing. There is a 3rd iteration of the 442 called the Pro which has no lock and is also cut for moon clips. If it is cut for moon clips, are they required to be used all of the time or can the pistol be used without them? That is my ignorance about revolvers showing... The "Boz" | |||
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I have a ~10 year old 442 no lock, and it has the worst trigger of all my guns. I’ll be the devils advocate for the forum. When I was covering my dog at afternoon/night, it was with a pistol with a weapon mounted light. If something happened, one hand to control the dog, one hand on the pistol. Something like a philster enigma, smartcarry, or fannypack and a TLR7sub for your 365 makes a lot more sense to me. | |||
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Box- you can shoot with or without moonclips. Moonclips are designed for a fast reload. | |||
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Gym shorts? Get a belly band holster. | |||
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9mm is a lot of pressure. In Ruger , they have to use the magnum frame which is aluminum. The .38 special can use the lighter polymer frame. The aluminum frame 9mm probably weighs a similar amount to a P365. I wouldn’t consider it a gym shorts gun. Look at the Ruger LCP. Also look at the NAA mini magnum revolver in .22MAG. It’s so small it makes a great backup gun, or throw in the pocket gun for dog walks. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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I was thinking maybe a change in mode of dress was called for more than a change in gun. The belly band, Smart Carry, Thunderware type carry garment is definitely an option. However I get the feeling that's too much set up for the OP. He wants to be in his gym shorts, then drop a gun in his pocket and go out. That higly constricts gun size / weight. I would consider ditching the gym shorts entirely for walking shorts that can accommodate a belt and / or have bigger pockets that can fit a bigger heavier gun. Once he did that, he could likely carry whatever he wanted.
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Thanks! Heavy DA triggers don't scare me. I actually like to keep them in rotation, I feel like they make me work on trigger control harder than my XL. ---------------------------------------- Death smiles at us all. Be sure you smile back. | |||
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All... An update. Sunday I ordered a S&W 442 Performance Center model, a crap ton of .38 Special in all flavors, and a Veddar Pocket Holster. I ordered from Buds Gun Shop and should have it tomorrow. Since a lot of revolver experts commented in this thread, I have 1 more question. The following pictures are of my Grandfather's pistol that he left to me. It is a S&W in .38. Not sure what I have here. It is engraved on the top of the barrel with his name and 12-25-51, the date he left law enforcement to enter industry. He was a fascinating man who was a high school drop out (depression era), became an aircraft armorer in WWII, then became a ball turret gunner (surviving 32 missions over Europe), then became an instructor pilot for the Army Air Corp., then became a cop, then became an inventor of industrial machinery... All on a grade school education.    The "Boz" | |||
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I haven't noticed it on any guns that we've ever received since the 9mm LCRs started shipping, but admittedly I haven't always paid close attention whenever they've come into the shop's inventory. Usually I only look closely at the 9mm whenever the occasional urge springs up to buy one. But I have heard about the issues regarding crimp jump affecting at least some LCRs, and not just limited to the 9mm models. My .38 LCR has never had any such issues with any standard or +P load, but it's one reason why I haven't acted on the impulse for the 9mm. -MG | |||
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Congrats on your choice. Me, I never could get over the harsh snappiness of the Airweight Js. Death grip or effective accuracy; never seemed to be an in-between compromise for myself. Such is the way of wusses like me, I suppose... -MG | |||
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