I had the Sig Armorer/Bruce Gray's carry trigger job performed on my P226 several years back. It's definitely on par with my Wilson Brigadier trigger. I don't have a Langdon gun to compare it to though.

Have a Langdon P220 ST. Steel frame and it is HEAVY. Shooting gun. Having carried a Beretta 96 on the job, I would have preferred carrying the 220.

I put Sig Armorer Hammer Struts in all my hammer fired Sigs. On the SAO guns it eliminates the interference with the manual safety axle, but on my P225A1 it makes the DA pull very very smooth. Better than a Langdon with his trigger kit.

ok fellas, thanks for the heads up. Sorry for the controversy

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Originally posted by inspcalahan:
I had the Sig Armorer/Bruce Gray's carry trigger job performed on my P226 several years back.
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Both Robert Burke AND Bruce Gray performed sequential trigger jobs on your P226?

Or you can’t remember which one did it, but you recommend his work?

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:

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Originally posted by inspcalahan:
I had the Sig Armorer/Bruce Gray's carry trigger job performed on my P226 several years back.
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Both Robert Burke AND Bruce Gray performed sequential trigger jobs on your P226?

Or you can’t remember which one did it, but you recommend his work?

Shit, well that was the mental blend of the year...and we're only 11 days into it.

Not sure why I mentioned Gray, although I hear he does good work. It was Burke SigArmorer that did the work. I cross keystroked that one for sure.

When you look at any of our modern SIG upgrade kits and installs, here's what you won't find:

improper materials and heat-treatment

cut firing pin lock spring

degraded / defeated safety mechanisms

reduced sear engagement

welded-up hammer & trigger bar adjustments

inferior copies of stock parts

stock parts resold as upgrades

unfinished, fugly components

parts which purport to "fix" problems which do not exist


"Quality" is a term that is both frequently used and criminally abused.

-Bruce

As for Langdon, no one is doing better work on Berettas, as well as on other platforms. Comparisons are unfair, as the 92 and 226 are very different from each other. In the world of P-Series actions, GGI owns it. We make everything to our designs and standards, and we're more than a decade and thousands of iterations beyond simply polishing on factory parts and playing with reduced springs.

-Bruce

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Originally posted by Grayguns:
As for Langdon, no one is doing better work on Berettas, as well as on other platforms. Comparisons are unfair, as the 92 and 226 are very different from each other. In the world of P-Series actions, GGI owns it. We make everything to our designs and standards, and we're more than a decade and thousands of iterations beyond simply polishing on factory parts and playing with reduced springs.

-Bruce

Your reputation precedes you!!! I need to get at least one of your triggers soon!!!

None of my guns have been to Ernest Langdon's or Bruce Gray's shop for the complete package, but I do have Langdon's trigger bar in a Beretta 92 and a PX4, and a couple of Grayguns strut kits in some Sigs.

Both sets of parts were substantial upgrades over how the guns came from the factory. The LTT trigger bar and a D spring will do wonders for a 92FS trigger, while the Grayguns strut kit is an absolute work of art. The build quality compared to the factory strut and base is just astounding. I had a couple of factory struts that were just appalling, with casting lines and even divots on the engagement surfaces. The Grayguns parts were polished to perfection, and after installing them it was like a different gun. I've upgraded a couple of P-Series guns with them now, in conjunction with a factory SRT kit, and IMO the Sig pull is a little heavier, but breaks earlier and crisper than the Beretta. The Beretta rolls through the break a little more smoothly. The true miracle, though, is that the Grayguns strut kit can take a P6 DA trigger and turn it into something that's actually fun and easy to shoot!

I haven’t done a Langdon trigger job in a bag yet on any of my Beretta 92s. I am sure it will live up to his reputation for sure. I do have a P228 and a couple of HKs that have had the complete action jobs and have two MK25s and a P229ST that have been upgraded GGI SRT and GGI strut kits installed. I think the drop in kits are as good maybe even better than my full action job P228.

Back in the day I sent my P220ST to a Gun Butcher for a trigger job, It was a waste of money.
I contacted Ernie Langdon who at the time was doing triggers for the P220ST.
I sent it to him and it came back FANTASTIC.
He was wonderful to work with and he restored my confidence in gunsmiths.
If I had a Beretta he would be my first choice for a gunsmith.
I will never forgive Sig or buy another Sig for shiting all over him!

^ well, that's a bit of gun history that I'm unaware of. I didn't realize that Ernie Langdon was into Sigs for a while...I've always known him to be a Beretta guy. What did Sig do to him?

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
^ well, that's a bit of gun history that I'm unaware of. I didn't realize that Ernie Langdon was into Sigs for a while...I've always known him to be a Beretta guy. What did Sig do to him?

Ernie Langdon won the IDPA National finals in 2003 with an Sig P220 DA/SA in the CDP division competing against 1911s. Sig launched a Langdon P220ST model in honor of his win, which in typical Sig fashion of the time was too heavy to use in IDPA. It wasn’t too far after the win that he left Sig and started competing for Beretta. I was heavy into IDPA competition back then and he turned the IDPA on its head with that win. So yes, he was into Sigs at the time. In all honesty, his gravitating toward being a Beretta specialist was a damn fine business move as Gray Guns was already cementing themselves as the go to Sig people. Not to take anything away from GGIs abilities, because their work on HK P7s, other HK models, and 1911s is phenomenal. Ernie Langdon seems like an awesome guy from everything I have seen and heard about him.

and sadly the Ernest Langdon model P220ST had no trigger enhancement from a regular P220ST unless you paid the extra fees to have that done...

I am also very disappointed in what happened between SIGARMs and Ernest Langdon...

I had hoped to have him do a trigger job on the Ernest Langdon P220ST I had after the split and was informed no way, no how...sad...

Bill

Yeah that makes sense. I didn't really start getting into shooting until 2006, so I'd have missed that by a few years. My first gun was a Beretta, and his name definitely came up quite a bit as I researched stuff for it.

I had the pleasure to actually meet Ernest at NRAAM in Indy last year, and he definitely came across like a great guy. I've bought some parts from LTT and have listened to him on some podcasts and have always been very impressed with him and his work. There was a Primary & Secondary podcast a few years back where he made his case for the DA/SA trigger, and it was just awesome. I think I still have it saved on my tablet somewhere.

I've not had the pleasure of meeting Bruce, but have a similar impression of him and Grayguns from my interaction with their products. It's nice as a consumer to have a solid option to go to for either platform, so I'm not upset that things worked out the way that they did.

I have:

- A 92 with trigger work by Wilson
- A P226 with trigger work by GGI before they moved to Oregon
- had 2 or 3 LTT TJIABs in various 92s, and the LTT trigger bar in a PX4
- Tried various combinations of just about every Beretta 92 trigger bar, hammer, sear and mainspring, including fitting match hammers myself, sometimes poorly
- The GGI strut system, ELS and SRT (or combinations) in 1 or more Sigs

(Yes, I buy too many parts. It's my only hobby.)

Even though I shoot 92s and the PX4 the majority of the time, there is something about the P226. A lot of it has to do with the grip for me, it fits my hands better than any other pistol I have had.

My remaining 226 with the GGI SRT and strut system has the "best" trigger pull of any of them. I don't know what it is. Most 92s have a 'click' or a 'hitch' part way though the trigger pull that Sigs just don't have (or at least mine doesn't). The trigger pull is absolutely linear and smooth from beginning to end. For 'drop in' parts it's fantastic.

In addition, though it might not be true if I actually measured them, the Sig seems to have the shortest double action 'throw' or travel distance. One reason I got rid of all my Wilson and LTT trigger bars is that I just didn't like the extra length on the DA pull. I wouldn't normally call myself a 'trigger snob' but since I only shoot TDA maybe I am.

On the 92 I did my own trigger and used the stock trigger bar because the double action pull is more toward what I like. Now, I prefer the Extreme-S trigger bar with the match hammer but I would still place this second to the GGI parts in my 226.

And, don't discount the factory Sig trigger. I bought a very lightly used P229 9mm that was made around 2017 with a factory SRT and the trigger pull was very good. A slightly lighter mainspring and it's perfectly fine though you wouldn't even need that.

Not only did Ernest Langdon win CDP years ago he won the IDPA Carolina Cup in the early-2010s with a Beretta compact. I worked the match but can't remember the year. I think it may have been ESP and if it was he was likely up against a bunch of 9mm 1911 shooters, a popular ESP choice at the time.