Someone, anyone- please tell me what I think about all of this. I'm serious. The yutz yesterday thinks he's got it all figured out. If that's the case, then my feelings on this matter must be obvious. Someone tell me, please. No repercussions. I want to see if anyone here can do a better job of reading my mind than the humorless member yesterday.

Tell me what I think of all this, of the issue itself and of SIG's handling of it.

Hint: You won't be able to discern my opinion on these things by looking at the moderation I've applied to this thread, which has been simply to get people to stop bickering, and to stop saying outlandish things. That's my job.

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I still stand by my analogy of the Series 80 1911 vs. its previous non-FPS-equipped ancestor. Nobody blinks an eye if someone shows up to an IDPA shoot with his Springfield Armory 1911, yet all of a sudden I'm the "numbnuts noob" for daring to do the same with a stock P320? Why?

Because the greatest risk of a 1911 firing when dropped is with the muzzle down and the greatest risk of a P320 firing when dropped is with the muzzle up.

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Tell me what I think of all this, of the issue itself and of SIG's handling of it.

Regarding the issue, you do not necessarily consider it of paramount importance. You think that it concerns a possibility, and not probabilities, but cannot help but develop sympathy for those that do believe that it's a major issue.

As to Sig's handling of it. Yes, it could had been handled better but considering the circumstances it is being reasonably handled.

As to all of "that", a picture is worth a thousand words...



Some folks place too much importance on one aspect of an event and fail to recognize other factors.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:

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I still stand by my analogy of the Series 80 1911 vs. its previous non-FPS-equipped ancestor. Nobody blinks an eye if someone shows up to an IDPA shoot with his Springfield Armory 1911, yet all of a sudden I'm the "numbnuts noob" for daring to do the same with a stock P320? Why?

Because the greatest risk of a 1911 firing when dropped is with the muzzle down and the greatest risk of a P320 firing when dropped is with the muzzle up.

Which would it be for a CZ75 or 85. or any other "Pre B" CZ?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Someone, anyone- please tell me what I think about all of this. I'm serious. The yutz yesterday thinks he's got it all figured out. If that's the case, then my feelings on this matter must be obvious. Someone tell me, please.

Hell, I have no idea what my wife is thinking, and I live with her!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Someone, anyone- please tell me what I think about all of this. I'm serious. The yutz yesterday thinks he's got it all figured out. If that's the case, then my feelings on this matter must be obvious. Someone tell me, please. No repercussions. I want to see if anyone here can do a better job of reading my mind than the humorless member yesterday.

Tell me what I think of all this, of the issue itself and of SIG's handling of it.

Hint: You won't be able to discern my opinion on these things by looking at the moderation I've applied to this thread, which has been simply to get people to stop bickering, and to stop saying outlandish things. That's my job.

Secretly I think you are chuckling and want to say "get a glock". I may be off, but I think you thought it at least once.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Someone, anyone- please tell me what I think about all of this. I'm serious. The yutz yesterday thinks he's got it all figured out. If that's the case, then my feelings on this matter must be obvious. Someone tell me, please. No repercussions. I want to see if anyone here can do a better job of reading my mind than the humorless member yesterday.

Tell me what I think of all this, of the issue itself and of SIG's handling of it.

Hint: You won't be able to discern my opinion on these things by looking at the moderation I've applied to this thread, which has been simply to get people to stop bickering, and to stop saying outlandish things. That's my job.

First, I don't know (not a pander).
Second, if I did know, I wouldn't have really cared. I know what I think (after thinking about it).
Third, without adult supervision, this thread may have gone down on as one of the worst in living memory.

Too much emotion, speculation and lack of factual understanding. Unfortunate and galling, since I've regarded most of the regular SF members here as near family. Regardless, we all survived. This is why God invented beer, wine and good music.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:

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I still stand by my analogy of the Series 80 1911 vs. its previous non-FPS-equipped ancestor. Nobody blinks an eye if someone shows up to an IDPA shoot with his Springfield Armory 1911, yet all of a sudden I'm the "numbnuts noob" for daring to do the same with a stock P320? Why?

Because the greatest risk of a 1911 firing when dropped is with the muzzle down and the greatest risk of a P320 firing when dropped is with the muzzle up.

Agreed

First:
1. Muzzle Down is much less dangerous
2. Springfield's high end 1911s use 9mm size titanium firing pins, which make this muzzle down fire very very unlikely, certainly not as easy to reproduce as the sig P320 issue.
3. Springfield's 1911s probably sell well, but they are NOT mass-marketed duty guns. Duty/Carry is a much different use-case than safe-queens that get dragged to a range once a quarter.
4. 1911s aren't the topic of this discussion anyway. As everyone's mom would say "Just because all your friends are jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?"

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I'm really sorry for the thread drift I am about to put on the thread, but I sort of feel morally obligated to, since the issue of 1911's has popped up.

Many are aware of this already, but for those who aren't, there are numbers of designs that LOOK LIKE 1911's and have some design similarities thereof, but instead of the inertia firing pin of the 1911, have instead, positive firing pins. They are POSITIVELY NOT DROP SAFE. Such designs include many STAR pistols, the TT-33 Tokarev, etc.

There. PSA finished.

Now I can sleep in peace.

As for para's question, I have metaphysical certitude of his every thought and all his deepest secrets. But rest assured, para, those secrets are safe with me!

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those secrets are safe with me!

On this thread, after 78,000+ opportunities, if he hasn't published his thoughts chances are he will not disclose them.

Hot? Cold? Warm?

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Someone, anyone- please tell me what I think about all of this. I'm serious. The yutz yesterday thinks he's got it all figured out. If that's the case, then my feelings on this matter must be obvious. Someone tell me, please. No repercussions. I want to see if anyone here can do a better job of reading my mind than the humorless member yesterday.

Tell me what I think of all this, of the issue itself and of SIG's handling of it.

Hint: You won't be able to discern my opinion on these things by looking at the moderation I've applied to this thread, which has been simply to get people to stop bickering, and to stop saying outlandish things. That's my job.

Secretly I think you are chuckling and want to say "get a glock". I may be off, but I think you thought it at least once.

My guess also.

The irony is that this is still one of the best shooting pistols out of the box that I have ever owned. I have completed the forms for my three P320's and will continue using them while trying to avoid dropping them at a 30 degree negative angle. Life goes on

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Someone, anyone- please tell me what I think about all of this. I'm serious. The yutz yesterday thinks he's got it all figured out. If that's the case, then my feelings on this matter must be obvious. Someone tell me, please. No repercussions. I want to see if anyone here can do a better job of reading my mind than the humorless member yesterday.

Tell me what I think of all this, of the issue itself and of SIG's handling of it.

Hint: You won't be able to discern my opinion on these things by looking at the moderation I've applied to this thread, which has been simply to get people to stop bickering, and to stop saying outlandish things. That's my job.

Carnac the Magnificent says..."You will buy a Glock." Sorry. Couldn't resist.

All kidding aside, moderation is moderation says I.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
The irony is that this is still one of the best shooting pistols out of the box that I have ever owned. I have completed the forms for my three P320's and will continue using them while trying to avoid dropping them at a 30 degree negative angle. Life goes on

My sentiments exactly.

Only difference is that I'm waiting for feedback before sending mine in. Depending on feedback, might not send it.

This is not a lack of confidence in Sig. Just the fact that the entire fire control chain will be changed. Not an insignificant modification. In theory, there is a possibility of a reliability issue replacing the long-shot drop safety issue. I want to see a track record in the field before I make any changes. Even if it is mimicking the XM17.

As I've stated before, the P320 and my 1911's are natural shooters for me. I don't have to work very hard with either. No adjustments, just fundamentals. Very forgiving.

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Originally posted by Nipper:

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
The irony is that this is still one of the best shooting pistols out of the box that I have ever owned. I have completed the forms for my three P320's and will continue using them while trying to avoid dropping them at a 30 degree negative angle. Life goes on

My sentiments exactly.

Only difference is that I'm waiting for feedback before sending mine in. Depending on feedback, might not send it.

This is not a lack of confidence in Sig. Just the fact that the entire fire control chain will be changed. Not an insignificant modification. In theory, there is a possibility of a reliability issue replacing the long-shot drop safety issue. I want to see a track record in the field before I make any changes. Even if it is mimicking the XM17.

As I've stated before, the P320 and my 1911's are natural shooters for me. I don't have to work very hard with either. No adjustments, just fundamentals. Very forgiving.

What these ^^^^ guys said...

I have tagged along for all 63 pages.
New facts I have learned:
1- Sig has designed and produced a popular pistol that can unintentionally discharge if it falls onto a hard surface in a certain manner.
2- Sig has taken steps to address the issue, at no cost to the owner of the pistol.
3- Due to the volume of pistols produced, this fix will not happen very rapidly.
4- Many users of the pistol feel their trust and confidence in the pistol was unfounded.
5- The design flaw is similar in nature to another popular pistol, in production for 106 years. This popular pistol was used in many wars and conflicts, carried by police, military and ordinary citizens with full knowledge of the fact that the pistol can unintentionally discharge if dropped in a certain manner.
So... what will I do?
Let Sig fix it. Try not to drop my pistol until it gets fixed. After it is fixed, I will continue to try not to drop it.
Try not to drop the 106 year old design either. No one wants to fix it.
As to plumbing the depths of our forum owners thoughts and emotions on this issue, I tread with fear. But I will hazard a guess: Tempest in a teapot.

FWIW, I checked my 320s today.

The one manufactured in late March has the "solid" striker. The one manufactured in late May has a "skeletonized" striker.

edited to correct terminology

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I assume you're a huge sig fan otherwise why the forum? I also assume that you're thinking the number of 320s that have shown a problem are very small compared to the number of sigs sold. I'm also assuming that you're just a little hesitant to send in your 320 if you own one because it could be at sig for an extended period of time which you don't want. I also think you're impressed with sig reacting to the problem so quickly considering the small sample size. And finally you're trying to remember when was the last time you dropped a loaded handgun which is probably never. And I'm also thinking you'll hold of on doing anything regarding the recall until you hear first hand experience from those who rushed to send their 320 in.

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Originally posted by 10-7 leo:
FWIW, I checked my 320s today.

The one manufactured in late March has the "solid" firing pin. The one manufactured in late May has a "skeletonized" firing pin.

Not to drop a deuce in the punchbowl or anything, but I have to wonder if after the mods they make to transform the pistol from legally safe to actually safe...will we hear reports of misfires with hard-primered ammo...??

Just call me Mr Optimism.

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