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I've got a number of P220s in both 9mm and .38 Super and would love to convert one to .30 lugar. Couple of questions... what magazine works with the .30 lugar and why would you want to specify the barrel is for a P226 and not a P220? We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln | |||
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^^ Don't know the answer to the second question, but (IIUC) the only difference between a 9mm magazine and a .30 Luger magazine should be the caliber markings.
Ah, no complaints about the enabling. I've got a wee bit of a project in mind, and the donor's been sitting next to a package of goodies from Numrich for quite some time now against the hope that either I'd stumble across a factory barrel or that BarSto would start making them. The barrel's going to someone notably more competent than myself, so I went ahead and asked for one that will require fitting. | |||
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Glad to help.
As Il Cattivo indicated, 9mm mags will work just fine. I had no issues previously running .30 Luger in a 226. As far as the barrel is concerned, quite some time ago, I checked with Bar-Sto to see if they would make a .45 to 9mm conversion barrel and was told no. Ordering it for a 226 cuts to the chase. If you attempt to order a .30 Luger barrel for a 220, you may get told no or there's a possibility that they size it to fit a .45.
I've been meaning to order some spare parts from Numrich. Based on some pictures I've seen on their site, some items appear to be used although they don't state it. What condition were the parts you received in? ------------ SP2022 - 9mm | |||
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Originally posted by mcs1564: As Il Cattivo indicated, 9mm mags will work just fine. I had no issues previously running .30 Luger in a 226. As far as the barrel is concerned, quite some time ago, I checked with Bar-Sto to see if they would make a .45 to 9mm conversion barrel and was told no. Ordering it for a 226 cuts to the chase. If you attempt to order a .30 Luger barrel for a 220, you may get told no or there's a possibility that they size it to fit a .45.[/QUOTE] Ok, understand. Thanks We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln | |||
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My solution - actually the project I was talking about - was to start with a mid-90's .45 with a stamped slide, and then acquire the breach insert and extractor for the 9mm since those parts can be installed on a .45 slide and are in fact the same for both the 9mm and the .30 Luger. I'd have to look in the cache to see if I got any other 9mm/.30 Luger-specific parts; I'm counting on Wolff for recoil springs.
Very nice, as I recall, but it can be somewhat a question of the luck of the draw. If in doubt (and the parts are in stock), they're generally pretty good about giving you an accurate description. If the description doesn't cut it, though, give them a call - they may tell you (as they have told me in the past) that you can return the parts if you decide they aren't up to snuff. On the whole they don't tend to carry beat-up parts unless you're shopping for something ancient or, perhaps, AK-related. | |||
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I’ve wanted to do the exact same thing, but, Bar-Sto wasn’t interested in making a .45 to 9mm conversion barrel. You may want to check with them to make sure the barrel OD will be the right size for a .45 slide.
Thanks. I’ll have to give them a call. ------------ SP2022 - 9mm | |||
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Will do. | |||
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If it’s going to be too small as is, I wonder if they would be willing to cut the barrel to a .45 OD. They certainly can do it. Bruce Gray and I discussed a .45 to 9mm conversion and he mentioned they made at least one for him. ------------ SP2022 - 9mm | |||
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This is an issue as the slide for the .45 ACP has a larger opening for the barrel than the .38 Super, 9mm Para, 7.65mm Luger, or 9mm Steyr. The breech and extractor radius can also lead to secondary issues depending on the parts used. | |||
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Well, at least you gave me more of an explanation than they did. Screw it. I wanna play with the cartridge, so I'll go shopping for an old 226 and convert it. | |||
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7.65mm is a fun round. The P226 would make an excellent host. | |||
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Yeah, when I asked about a .45 to 9mm barrel, all I got was no and that was it. If you get one with a stainless slide, let me know, and I'll see if I can pull up what pound spring Robert used for it.
Yes, it does. A couple of pics when the 226 was still with Robert Burke:   The best part of using a 226 is the variety available.This message has been edited. Last edited by: mcs1564, ------------ SP2022 - 9mm | |||
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How can one tell if the P220 is an RPS assembled pistol? One of my P220 is a heal mag-release G136XXX. Congratulations mcs1564! Great aquisitions! | |||
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I believe the only way to tell is if, the left side of the slide is acid etched with "Assembled by RPS".
Thanks! ------------ SP2022 - 9mm | |||
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Since the conversion would consist of many unknowns and variables, the best thing to do would be to get a variety pack of springs. Start with the strongest and then work down to the first spring that cycles properly. Use that one. Any waker spring may result in the slide striking the frame and greater possibility of component damage. This was what I did when converting my Glock 21 to .38 Super. | |||
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Hey everyone, new to the forum. New to Sigs and gun history. Did a search and found this one which is related to my question. I recently got my first pistol, a P220, 9mm, date code JD (1983), heel mag release, beautiful condition. This is a W. German assembled weapon as it has all 3 serial numbers matching and German proof marks. My question like many others, it has assembled in W.Germany on one side and Exeter, NH on the other, along with “assembled by RPS”. My understanding is that Exeter, NH didn’t come to be until 1990, so what happened to this gun after 1983 and how did it get stamped with Exeter, NH? And who is this RPS guy? Also, does anyone know what the original grips for this gun are supposed to be? Mine has a walnut wood grain set and I’m pretty sure that’s not original. When locking the slide, this grip makes this a little harder than it should be. Thanks! | |||
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Welcome to the forum! Little is known about RPS as far as I can tell. Does the 'Exeter, NH' appear to be an Importer engraving or more of an OEM stamp? When the full firearm is imported from another country, they are required to engrave the importer and location (loose parts are not). It could be possible that yours was made in Western Germany and then imported through Exeter many years later by RPS. I think the original grips were a bakelite or similar plastic. Wood grips were also offered back in the day. Congrats on your P220. | |||
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I'm sorry for the delay in answering. There was what appeared to be the merest whisp of wear on the finish, but that could've come from just rattling around on Numrich's stock shelf for a while. If you're interested, I would go ahead and order without hesitation. The one thing they don't have is extractors for anything smaller than a .45, but Total Automation in Virginia seems to be able to handle that with no problem. I'm told Total Automation checks in at the gunsmithing section here from time to time if you have any questions.
FWIW, I picked up a P220/9/EU sometime back that came with wood grips that looked just a little bit crude, seemed to be made from relatively soft wood, and didn't seem to be shellacked or anything. Someone here once mentioned that there was a short period of time when those pistols were available from the factory with those grips. IIRC they were supposed to have been made in Germany, but I don't remember the name of the maker (some German sporting goods house, maybe?). If you like the pistol, you could do worse for pure shootability's sake than go nuts and get a set of Hogue G10s. They still offer wood, aluminum and G10 grips for the 220s with the heel magazine release. | |||
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Hey great, thanks for the insight. I would assume the “Exeter, NH” was not original stamping. As far as the grip, to me it looks like it belongs so maybe this was one of the the rare wood grips on an old Sig. Next time I take it apart I may take the grips off and see if there are any markings on them. | |||
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