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So a new position I’m about to embark on issues the SIG 320. Can’t say as I’m in love with that choice, but I’m sure I’ll shoot it just fine. My understanding is that for secondary/backup on duty carry and off duty carry I will pretty much be limited to the SIG 365 series. I don’t particularly like SIG striker fired pistols, so I don’t want to buy multiple guns out of pocket so I’m trying to decide if I should buy a 365 or 365xl when I start the new gig. On duty, I generally carry my backup on the ankle and off duty usually carry on the hip, or sometimes in a cargo pocket. I think the 365xl would probably be what I would prefer to carry off duty, but does it make a good ankle gun? Does anyone routinely carry and draw a 365xl from the ankle? Thanks




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I'd say, smaller is better for ankle carry.

P365 vs. S&W 340 PD: https://www.handgunhero.com/co...-wesson-model-340-pd

P365XL vs. S&W 340 PD: https://www.handgunhero.com/co...-wesson-model-340-pd


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I'd say, smaller is better for ankle carry.

P365 vs. S&W 340 PD: https://www.handgunhero.com/co...-wesson-model-340-pd

P365XL vs. S&W 340 PD: https://www.handgunhero.com/co...-wesson-model-340-pd


Thanks Q. I was kind of leaning towards the 365, but the 365xl does feel better in the hand. I’ll probably end up just buying both as long as I can. It really is looking like if I could only have one, or for at least the first one the 365 is probably the way to go.




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Unless department policy forbids it, I would pick up a standard 365. From there, if you wanted a XL slide and different grip modules and scale what you have to meet individual needs.

The standard 365 is very shootable and I can make hits out to 100 yards with mine. I shoot decemt splits with mine.

What I tend to do is if I want concealment, I’ll run a 10 round magazine. When concealment isn’t such an issue, I’ll use a 12 which makes the gun more shootable.

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jljones is on the mark.

I carried a number of Sigs for duty, backup, and off duty over a span of 33 years. His P365 setups for backup and off duty, including magazine selection, are identical to what I used when the pistol came out.
 
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Unless department policy forbids it, I would pick up a standard 365. From there, if you wanted a XL slide and different grip modules and scale what you have to meet individual needs.

The standard 365 is very shootable and I can make hits out to 100 yards with mine. I shoot decemt splits with mine.

What I tend to do is if I want concealment, I’ll run a 10 round magazine. When concealment isn’t such an issue, I’ll use a 12 which makes the gun more shootable.

I shoot them well.


You would shoot a rubber band gun or a slingshot well lol!

Seriously though, are there grip enhancements that go on 12 round 365 magazines used in regular 365s like there are for Glock magazines? I like where this discussion is going. Thanks for the information.




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IWB, I'd go XL
Ankle, standard 365 for sure.




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Seriously though, are there grip enhancements that go on 12 round 365 magazines used in regular 365s like there are for Glock magazines? I like where this discussion is going. Thanks for the information.


Yes sir.

The 12 round has one that makes the gun comfortable.




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You are saying XL but you mean X I believe. The X is the 12 round standard grip module. The XL is the same module paired with the longer slide.

I would start small and go from there.

Yes, go to magguts and buy their kits. It makes the standard 10 rounder a +2 and their 12 rounder a +2 as well with no real difference in dimensions (minor bit of baseplate thickness like a tenth of an inch, not noticeable at all)
 
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Another option that I think you can use, since you're LE, is the Magguts +2 for the factory 10-round mag, making the P365 a 12+1. Just a bit thicker in length than the factory 10-rounder but enough to make it a little more comfortable for those who find the factory configuration too small.






I'll be happy to send you a couple mags so equipped, if you decide to go the P365 route.


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^^^what they said^^^

I switched from a Kahr PM9 to a 365 a few years ago. I added a Hogue grip but otherwise stock. If I could do one thing though, I’d like to try the longer slide on the original frame.

But I’d start with the little one. It’s a great gun.

I don’t carry on my ankle though. I do weak-side pocket, Smartcarry, or IWB/OWB holster.




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Get the compact P365 (10 rounds) and add in a Wilson Combat X size Grip module (12 round magazine). There are 15 and 17 magazine kits that allow you to put different size floor plates and sleeves on so the mag will work with either the 10 or 12 round size frame.

The short slide with the Wilson Combat X Frame is about perfect for a carry pistol. I just got the new Wilson Macro size (17 round) frame and put another short slide on it. Just added a red dot to it and working it up for off duty/EDC, have to put a few more rounds through it.
 
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Get the compact P365 (10 rounds) and add in a Wilson Combat X size Grip module (12 round magazine).

What he said. It's an awesome configuration. I have it in 9mm and .380, which I'm favoring due to arthritis in my wrist/thumb joint.
 
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I debated which one and went P365 for maximum concealment. It's an easy add to get a factory 12 round mag for a better grip. Magguts +2 costs $34 and gets you to 14 rounds. Now you are most of the way to an XL without buying a second gun. I like the 365 enough that I'm going to end up with the "get both" answer and buy an XL.




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Get the compact P365 (10 rounds) and add in a Wilson Combat X size Grip module (12 round magazine).


That's what I did as well. However, I carry mine IWB. If it's going to be used for ankle or pocket carry, I'd stick with a P365 sized grip module and 10 round mags, and then just use a 12+ round magazine when not carrying on the ankle. You can always go longer using larger magazines with a standard grip module installed, but you can't go shorter with a XL grip module installed.
 
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Thank you all for the advice, and thank you Q for your generous offer! I’m not sure that changing grip modules and what not would be considered Kosher with respect to agency policy. I think the safest bet would be the normal 365 equipped with some type of magazine enhancement/ extension that allows for a better grip and higher capacity for the times when I’m not carrying on the ankle. I often carried my Glock 26 or 27 equipped similarly when I was a fed. Knowing that there are equivalent options for the 365 family is comforting. I’ve really not been a fan of the striker fired SIGs, so I’m frankly just not as knowledgeable on them, but that’s why we have this great place! I will also try to get a feel for how the agency would feel about using different grip modules. I don’t start until April 15 and I’ve got lots of other things to deal with before then but it’s always cool to have an excuse to talk guns lol.




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JJones’s is indeed dialed in on this.

I recently switched to the P365 platform. Here in California they finally allowed a version in. When I want deep consultant, I carry the P365 standard version. If I want something with a little more grip, and that handles more like a larger gun I do the XL, which also has a Sig Romeo X optic on it.

For ankle carry. with a good holster is no problem. If I’m wearing a uniform pants, I just need to make sure that the ankle holster sits lower on the boot.



 
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