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Here is the first pistol chambered in it. Holds ten rounds of 30 Super vs eight rounds that the 9MM gun is able to fit in the magazine.





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Posts: 6291 | Location: Floriduh | Registered: October 16, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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They should have called it the 8mm x 21. Close enough and gets the point across. Yeah, there's 8mm Mauser but that mistake would be noticed pretty quickly.

I like the idea. More rounds in micro 9 sized guns. Ballistically superior to the .380 and not too far off from the 9mm x 19.

It is interesting that the most popular pistol calibers are almost all 100+ years old. 9mm, .380, and .45ACP, and .38 Special are. And .357 Magnum is almost 90 years old. It would be nice if modern bullet and cartridge design would give us something "better" that could be accepted. For example .38 Special and .357 Magnum have a lot of wasted case volume since the .38 dates back to the black powder era. They could be shorter with a shorter cylinder and longer barrel for a given revolver size, but good luck with that.

.40 S&W was the only major pistol caliber to get any traction in the last 30 years, but it lacks the capacity and shootability of the 9mm or the nostalgia of the .45ACP. After taking over the LE market (mostly due to the FBI's change after the 10mm didn't work out) and being dominant for a couple decades, it died quickly when the FBI moved back to 9mm. .45GAP died because it was capacity limited in 9/40 frames and no one really asked for a shorter .45ACP. Glock wanted a "Glock" round after Sig created the ".357 Sig" and they thought it might appeal to older police chiefs that insisted on issuing a .45 but needed a smaller grip. I just felt some 10mm/.45 sized Glocks the other day and they are not that bad in Gen4. Even though the grip is bigger, the "corners" match up to my finger joints better and it feels pretty good to grip.

On the rifle side, .17 HMR, 6.5 CM, .300 Blackout became accepted pretty quickly because they offer significant advantages.

Rather than write this new pistol round off, I'll see how it plays out. I'm all for more options in a competitive market. And I think one thing about it is that you can get 10 rounds in a compact single stack (the magic number for commie states). If Sig can get 15 rounds into a 365XL mag then I think we all see the advantage.

But then I would like J-frame 640 size revolvers in .327 and 9mm and S&W isn't making them at the moment.
 
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Can this cartridge be used in pistols chambered for 9mm ? Case rim diameter.
If so, it would be a good match for a Ruger LC9s with a conversion barrel.

I am not dismissive about new cartridges.


That would be more interesting to me if a barrel conversion and maybe a guide rod spring change would be possible in a current 9 mm .


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But then I would like J-frame 640 size revolvers in .327 and 9mm and S&W isn't making them at the moment.


I'm right there with you. IMO S&W is missing the boat on this. Ruger has both options in both the LCR and the SP101. I'm a huge Ruger fan, but I don't care for the trigger reset or the goofy plastic frame on the LCR. The SP101, while an excellent revolver, is more of a belt gun. The J-Frame is a better pocket gun than either of those two, and it would be awesome to have a 6-shot option in .327. A scandium frame with a steel cylinder like my 360J would be sweet. A 9mm would be cool, too... especially if they offered it with a spring loaded built-in extractor like the old 547. I've already got 3 J-Frames...they just need to give me an excuse to make it 5!
 
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What .327 Federal Magnum did for small revolvers (like the LCR, which I’m carrying right now), this is supposed to do for semi automatics.
Interesting numbers on this new cartridge.
 
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While enjoying a bowl of cigarettes and a nice cup of black death, I decided to watch videos from SHOT 2022 range day.

All the Youtube gun gurus were there and predictably 30 Super Carry is all the rage. What amused me was the comments - "Recoils just like 9mm" "I can't tell any difference between the recoil of this and a 9mm" "shoots the same in the EZ as the 9mm version".

So......50K PSI, ballistics not as good as 124 9mm but recoils the same and you get two extra rounds in the mag. Why not just carry a 9mm then? Or will the sales pitch become "30 Super Carry! Better than 380."

Move over 45 GAP. You are gonna have company. Wink Regards 18DAI


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So it's a mini .30 carbine round?


that's exactly what I thought... .30 cal carbine short.
 
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All the Youtube gun gurus were there and predictably 30 Super Carry is all the rage. What amused me was the comments - "Recoils just like 9mm" "I can't tell any difference between the recoil of this and a 9mm" "shoots the same in the EZ as the 9mm version".

That's interesting. I just watched a video w/ the S&W rep who claimed 30SC definitely feels softer in recoil.
 
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I have to wonder how small a gun can fire this round reliably. Could it replace .380 in the really small guns. It's a longer case, so that would stretch the length of the gun.
 
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Too bad it is not a revolver cartridge. 7 Shot J frame ? I don't see the point in a new caliber to gain a couple rounds. Power between .380 and 9mm. Just carry a spare mag. I would think the appeal would be limited
 
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has anybody mentioned that the name they gave this round, ".30 Super Carry" is pretty stupid and lame and really sounds like something a total gun nerd would come up with?
 
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If it ever takes off (not likely) it won’t last nearly as long as the 45 GAP. It’s a boutique round that will gain limited favor with a few interested parties, gasp, and expire. The vast owners of 9mm pistol owners are not going to bother investing hundreds of dollars in a new platform to do what their 9’s already do quite reliably. Then people that don’t reload will have pistols too expensive to feed gathering dust.

Here’s a thought- start ramping up current caliber production, reloading component production, and refining current existing caliber offerings instead of creating a new cartridge that is doomed to failure.

If the new ammo isn’t far cheaper than current prices of existing offerings, it will fail. Whether spectacularly or gasping for breath, it will fail.




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Here’s a thought- start ramping up current caliber production, reloading component production, and refining current existing caliber offerings instead of creating a new cartridge that is doomed to failure.


CRAZY TALK I TELLS YA!!!!!!! Smile

I totally understand this has likely been in development for many years but now is not the time to dilute the ammo pool further. That said the marketing guy in me is thinking they could be banking on trying to sell guns chambered in this to new ignorant(as in not yet educated about a subject) firearm buyers sort of sneaking in a base of sales.


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Also I wonder how long it will be before some little .25 caliber something will be deemed fine because “more ammo on tap”. Why not a nice 50 shot .22LR with a center fire ignition system. Roll Eyes

Don’t get me wrong I am fairly caliber agnostic and don’t feel one needs a .45 Super or some such but I do feel like at some point you start giving up too much mass.


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