A close and trusted friend of mine recently bought a new Beretta 96A1. He's bought a few other new Berettas recently and has had good luck. This time, unfortunately, he didn't take a close look at the pistol before he took it home. This is what he received.















He's contacted Beretta CS and they've sent him a return label. We've both got our fingers crossed that they make it right for him and send him a new pistol. I've not seen a new Italian Beretta with a frame that buggered up. I'll post an update when we get word as to what Beretta CS does for him.

***Great news update: Beretta inspected the pistol and is replacing it with a new pistol under warranty. I am really happy for my friend and want to give kudos to Beretta CS for resolving this issue quickly.

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Yes. It does appear that he in fact revived a Beretta pistol. Was he not supposed to receive a Beretta pistol?

What is the “heads up” you (or your close and trusted source) is warning us about? How many rounds in was “the problem” noticed?

Except for the difference in frame thickness (2.7 vs 2.1), which is obvious only with caliper measurements, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be warned about. I see a couple of tool marks, but what about them? Does the gun function as it should?

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Originally posted by 12131:
Except for the difference in frame thickness (2.7 vs 2.1), I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be warned about. I see a couple of tool marks, but what about them?

My point exactly. The dust cover has no real job. The thread title is click bait at best.

I should have phrased that title better, but a heads up to really inspect them before completing a 4473 and doing the transfer. The pictures aren't great, but compared with another 96A1 he had already purchased. This one is pretty rough and the frame is different than his other example.

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but a heads up to really inspect them before completing a 4473 and doing the transfer.

OK, so this really could apply to any guns from any manufacturers.

Good job all. Good job.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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but a heads up to really inspect them before completing a 4473 and doing the transfer.

OK, so this really could apply to any guns from any manufacturers.

Yes, it applies with every manufacturer. No one has perfect QC.

I believe this pistol has defects, based on the images. For a frame to be machined with a difference of 0.6 mm, and to be so visually obvious, something went amiss. The trigger guard milling mark is probably due to machining swarf and poor lubricant flow. Still, bad. Not sure what the other issues are, but I do hope that the buyer is properly CS'd.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Yes. It does appear that he in fact revived a Beretta pistol. Was he not supposed to receive a Beretta pistol?

What is the “heads up” you (or your close and trusted source) is warning us about?

I should have phrased the title differently. My friend didn't do his part and look over his pistol before he completed the transfer. He's not happy with what he received for a close to 800 dollar pistol. The pics are not ideal, but this one should have been sold as a y gun or a blem (assuming the frame is actually within spec).

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Originally posted by 12131:
Except for the difference in frame thickness (2.7 vs 2.1), which is obvious only with caliper measurements, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be warned about. I see a couple of tool marks, but what about them? Does the gun function as it should?

He saw the cosmetic issues right away when he got home and was getting the pistol ready for the range. After that, he took a closer look and noticed that something was off (compared with his other example), aside from the purely cosmetic issues, and decided to contact Beretta before firing it. We'll see what Beretta CS does. He's got another 96A1 that is damn near perfect and shoots like a dream.

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Thats what I would expect from a Hi Point.

I'm sure he wished he had a better look b4 buying.

If you buy a gun online it’s a good idea to do a decent inspection before you do the transfer. But I’m not sure you’re better off than taking it anyway, as long as it’s a reputable manufacturer.

If there are obvious flaws you can have the transfer FFL return it to the seller, but I’m not sure who pays for that. If you accept it as the OPs friend did, then you can send and receive one directly to and from the manufacturer, and that should be at the their cost.

Let’s be honest, that frame differential doesn’t even need calipers.

If any of yall bought and received that you’d be pissed.

Stop giving the OP a hard time.

We often tend to be hypocritical and I don’t understand the differentiation, do we allow parts that aren’t under stress to be f’d up? Or do we agree that paying prices for modern day pistols means they should be within spec at a minimum?

That's unacceptable and I'd be pissed. That dustcover is just a dustcover, but it's part of the frame and who knows what else is out of whack with the machining being that far off. My 92X Compact was less than perfect, but thankfully not as bad as that. Mine had visible imperfections in the rifling and I eventually discovered that it had some accuracy issues with certain bullets. I contacted Beretta CS about it and they completely ghosted me. I recently traded it off...kinda sad that it didn't work out because I liked the idea of it, but I never warmed up to it like my older 92FS. Hopefully your friend's experience with Beretta CS is better than mine was.

Yeah, didn’t need calipers to see that! Hope Beretta replaces it for him, with a better example!

I don't know about the Beretta. But I agree with the tread title. I have an FFL dealer who is also a friend. I have bought guns and assorted paraphernalia from him for years. I recently asked him for a price on a gun. I sent him the link to the manufacture's web site. He said he could get the gun and gave me a great price. He ordered it and called when it got there. When I went to pick it up, he had several other customers there. He gave me the paper work and I filled it out while he helped the other people. When my turn came, he got the gun out to show it to me. He already had the invoice ready. The gun was not what I wanted or what my email to him has shown. Totally wrong gun. Right manufacture and caliber. Everything else was wrong. He was very apologetic and said he had made a mistake. He said he would hang on to the 4473 until the next time I a bought a gun. He has a good idea of my interests. He called about a week later with a very good deal on another gun. So it all worked out in the end. But the next time I order a gun from him, I will see it before doing any paper work.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
Let’s be honest, that frame differential doesn’t even need calipers.

If any of yall bought and received that you’d be pissed.

Stop giving the OP a hard time.

We often tend to be hypocritical and I don’t understand the differentiation, do we allow parts that aren’t under stress to be f’d up? Or do we agree that paying prices for modern day pistols means they should be within spec at a minimum?

You have no idea how this thread started. Hint: The OP edit was made within the hour. I'm going to leave it at that.

Was the frame made in the USA? It seems Beretta USA has had their share of quality control issues in the past.