Full disclosure. I'm going to buy a Sig P 210 Carry for the well thought out and well researched reason that I want one.

Although there is already a thread, the limited rounds (8) and not having a rail have talked out of a lot of potential carry/home defense guns.

The P210 Carry evokes nice memories for me but it's not the most practical carry or home defense guns.

Out of curiosity, does that kill the deal for you. What's more important? The number of rounds, not having a rail, or both?

It being a P210 carry.

Lovely gun, but it is too large and has a small magazine.

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Originally posted by Walther Dude:
What is a deal-breaker on a carry gun?

That's an easy one. Unreliable.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Walther Dude:
What is a deal-breaker on a carry gun?

That's an easy one. Unreliable.

Yep, or inaccurate.

Reliability is it.

I think the 210 Carry will be a fine pistol in its lane. Wear it like a BBQ gun. Weddings, funerals, court, etc.

Deal killer: Overpriced. I am fine with the capacity and it being SA. But they priced it out of my market. I would have gone 1K for one.

Reliability. It must go bang every time. And feed every bullet ogive.

In my partial retirement and advancing age, weight is becoming a secondary requirement 28oz loaded being the sweet spot, for me.

I never gave capacity any consideration. And still don't care. The first shot is the most important. Not the 14th, 17th or 20th. I will be in first or second place, long before I run out of ammo. Regards 18DAI

Only deal breakers for me would be reliability or being larger than a P226.

I’d carry a P210 “carry”, not every day and not AIWB or in a pocket but I’d have no problem with it in a nice IWB or OTWB holster with a good belt.

Non-reliability is a deal breaker. If you are not 100% confident with the firearm then no deal. Other than that to each their own. Personally I think the 365 XL is
100% perfect but you or 99 others might think it a poor choice.

aside from reliability and accuracy. I'll say ergonomics.

A gun that doesn't just fit well in the hand, or on the hip isn't worth my time to carry.

Deal-breakers:

Unreliable, as noted

No left-handed accommodations - safety mainly, which is part of why I've never been all too interested in a P210 and a lot of milsurp/LEO guns

Incompatible with my hands - Sig 938, Glock without a beavertail, HighPower, Walther PPK, Ruger LCP, many more examples of guns I simply can't or won't shoot.

Capacity and an accessory rail don't matter so much. I carry a basic 5-shot snubbie J Frame more than my Glock 19 with an RMR and TLR-7. At the same time though, I probably wouldn't carry something bigger and heavier than the Glock 19 that also holds half as many rounds, can't have a light mounted to it, and doesn't have a red dot.

A history of unreliability in either the firearm model, manufacturer, or both.

Reliability is everything. I carried 1911s and revolvers for years so I’m good with capacity and no rail. As long as it is 100% and hits where I aim it’s all good.

Reliability always.
I can carry a full sized handgun and do in the Winter time but if it doesn't go off when I pull the trigger, it's not what I want no matter what brand/model it is.
Only one pistol I've bought so far has failed to fire and they sent me a new one to replace it. I sold it as soon as I got it. Didn't matter to me if it was new or not, wasn't going to take a chance.

Reliability is king. If can't trust it, I won't carry it. I also won't carry a gun with a manual safety...it has to go into action with a simple trigger pull and no other manipulations.

Along with reliability, on a carry gun, size to capacity ratio. Why would I carry a big heavy gun that has less capacity than a small light one? I know it’s easier to shoot but if I’m proficient enough, we ain’t target shooting for pretty groups. And I’m way more likely to always carry the small light one.

Deal breakers are price vs the value. After 45 years, there is no added value for "steel" vs polymer at another $150 over a similar model. I have metal framed, I got it used to make the price point.

Rails on a carry gun are a deal breaker, I bought a P365 precisely because it doesn't look rail gun. I suspect a lot of others did, too.

Reliability is a given for most firearms. If it isn't, then there are three reasons, ammo, mags, and the user, who determines the ammo and how they abuse magazines. Make new decisions.

Capacity is a minor issue, as you can carry more. The advantage to a 10 shot mag is one mag change in 20 rounds vs two in 18 for a 6 shot. That is one less reload firing a string of shots, and the potential for one less operator error doing it. That has value more than just "10 shot magazine." It's also a benefit in practice, with less interruptions to reload. And practice is important.

Looks - call it style or whatever. I buy guns as a tool and they should look like it. Not an expression of status, or decor. Like a watch for telling time on the job or in the field - I need durability and function under difficult conditions of weather, visibility, and being submerged. A working gun is appropriately finished to shrug off wear and tear, not amplify it, and exotic colors aren't needed. P365's are probably the most duty grade looking Micro 9 out there - certainly not an example of "grip zone" styling. The SW 4566 TSW follows that theme, less is more. Style lines for no purpose are detrimental - that roller coaster down the frame of some 9mms isn't embellishment, its as if somebody at corporate had to mark their territory. Plain slab styling can be classic, but when it gets to contemporary or ray gun it's a snapshot in time and will become dated.

This goes right down to triggers - those with different colors, holes, ornate machining, or visible doodads are a statement. A simple smooth and single purpose trigger is a classic and looks it, anything else is a statement of something and doing that trends to being exhibitionistic. A characteristic of attention getting which relates to some need for approval all the time. I didn't see guns as doing that until recently, and have to wonder what the corporate staff was thinking - which then goes to their credibility. Goof ball looking guns = Corporate instability. Beretta has had their share, but got over it, other makes not so much. Remington didn't help themselves with it - the best of the lot was their attempt at a .380 using the Rohrbaugh design and it came off cheap.

Handguns are like banks, how they style them is a representation of their integrity. So, unnecessary, ornate, or even distinctive is a waste of money. I prefer my guns and pickup trucks without all the overwrought attempts at placing it into a social tier, which is often done by adopting race gun embellishments which are very out of place on a carry gun for the street. Same as port holes on a Buick hood.

Another thing, DAO or DA/SA. My first gun was a P226, but I have way more trigger time on SAO or Glock triggers. I don’t have the time or money to waste training on double action when Glock style triggers do a better job and are in better guns.

Reliability is the key factor for me, though physical size and weight are not far behind. I have to trust the gun, but it's also has to be sized within reason so it won't impose itself too harshly on my day-to-day activities. Shootability also matters a lot to me; if it's reliable, durable, reasonable in size and weight but alas comes with a hideously heavy trigger, then it's going to be a no-go. Doesn't do any good if I can't hit what I need to hit.

Firepower also is a factor, but I've been willing to compromise on that aspect in the past, such as when I chose a G43 as my secondary carry whenever I couldn't carry my primary G23. However after the P365 got its necessary updates and fixes to address its initial teething problems, that firepower issue was addressed when I made the switch to the SIG for my secondary carry role.

Monoblock, I really appreciate your thoughtful response to the question.

Although reliability was the number one concern in the thread. I believe you are right in that other concerns quickly follow. If it didn't, then we'd all carry Glocks.

There are differences of opinion as to immediate concerns, I share yours about shoot-ability. Studies indicate that shot placement is the key in fatal shootings while other studies of N.Y. cops seem to indicate that they tend to empty their weapons in fatal encounters. I interpolate the data to mean that if my gun is accurate, I could get buy on fewer bullets which also means a lighter gun-although in a SIG 365, you can have your cake and eat it too in terms of light weight and high capacity.

You were the only person to mention trust. It might have been implied in other posts about reliability, but for me, it also means accuracy in my hands.

One person mentioned that they weren't worried about tight groups with their carry gun and the context of his post, it made sense. But I have the opposite view in that regard.

I don't have to carry every day. So weight and concealability don't have the same priority for me. If I had to carry, then the 365 and 365 XL become options that are hard to ignore. But if shoot-ability, how it feels in my hand, will it go bang, and how accurate it is makes the P210 carry, a possibility. LOL, the fact that I want one will make it a reality.