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Originally posted by carrolllaw:
Can a SIG P 239 .357 be carried in deep concealment (in Sticky Holster in coat pocket) with 10th round chambered, hammer down, and 9 round mag inserted?

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
As for the OP's original question... the p239 is not a pocket pistol...

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
I guess with the right holster it might work in a large coat pocket.... but my suggestion is if you are wearing a coat then carry on your side in a good quality holster.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
P239s are intended to be carried with the chamber loaded and the hammer down (decocked).

As long as you're using a proper holster that covers the trigger, it's totally safe.

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Originally posted by BuddyChryst:
Yes, with one caveat:

The pistol must be decocked using the decocker.

There was a cop that cheaped out by not getting the right holster and to jam his classic SIG into it, he would thumb down the hammer then hold the hammer forward to snap the holster strap over it. This bypasses the firing pin safety. He then managed to drop it walking out to his car and it fell on the hammer, discharging it, killing him. ETA: the officer was Jesse Paderez if you want to look into it.

The point is, as long as it’s decocked back to the safety intercept, you’re fine.

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Originally posted by colt_saa:
Actually the P239 carries fine in the 5.11 Covert Khakis. It is heavy, but manageable.

I pocket carried it last week.



If the firearm is the only thing carried in the pocket, then the pocket becomes the holster a second removable one is not necessary. This is especially true of the original Covert Khakis that had pockets that were cut in the shape of a handgun. I guess to cut costs, the most recently manufactured 5.11 Covert Khakis has traditional square cut pockets

For pocket carry I use the slightly shorter 7 rounds magazines in place of the 8s. It is not much diffeence in length, it just keeps those base plate back corners from catching on stuff



As Blume9mm points out there are no 9 round P239 magazines for the 357SIG/40S&W cartridges

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Originally posted by Nontypical:

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Originally posted by colt_saa:
Actually the P239 carries fine in the 5.11 Covert Khakis. It is heavy, but manageable.

I pocket carried it last week.

What model P239 is that? Obviously the slide was polished. Is that a nickel plated frame?

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Originally posted by colt_saa:

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Originally posted by BuddyChryst:
Yes, with one caveat:

The pistol must be decocked using the decocker.

There was a cop that cheaped out by not getting the right holster and to jam his classic SIG into it, he would thumb down the hammer then hold the hammer forward to snap the holster strap over it. This bypasses the firing pin safety. He then managed to drop it walking out to his car and it fell on the hammer, discharging it, killing him. ETA: the officer was Jesse Paderez if you want to look into it.

The point is, as long as it’s decocked back to the safety intercept, you’re fine.

I do not know the entire story of Jesse Paderez's incident or what posts you have read, but the P220 that the Officer was carrying has no parts that reset the firing pin block when the firearm is decocked and thee is nothing that is called the "safety intercept".

The firing pin block in mot all of the TDA metal framed P-series firearms is moved out of the way only when the trigger is in the rearward most position

The P239s that we are discussing in this thread work the same way

Lowering the hammer by either method leaves the firearm in the same state

I can not tell you why Jesse Paderez's firearm discharged as I did not inspect it and I have no inclination to read through posts and reports on the incident.

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Originally posted by BuddyChryst:

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Originally posted by colt_saa:

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Originally posted by BuddyChryst:
Yes, with one caveat:

The pistol must be decocked using the decocker.

There was a cop that cheaped out by not getting the right holster and to jam his classic SIG into it, he would thumb down the hammer then hold the hammer forward to snap the holster strap over it. This bypasses the firing pin safety. He then managed to drop it walking out to his car and it fell on the hammer, discharging it, killing him. ETA: the officer was Jesse Paderez if you want to look into it.

The point is, as long as it’s decocked back to the safety intercept, you’re fine.

I do not know the entire story of Jesse Paderez's incident or what posts you have read, but the P220 that the Officer was carrying has no parts that reset the firing pin block when the firearm is decocked and thee is nothing that is called the "safety intercept".

The firing pin block in mot all of the TDA metal framed P-series firearms is moved out of the way only when the trigger is in the rearward most position

The P239s that we are discussing in this thread work the same way

Lowering the hammer by either method leaves the firearm in the same state

I can not tell you why Jesse Paderez's firearm discharged as I did not inspect it and I have no inclination to read through posts and reports on the incident.

Try it yourself with an unloaded gun. Cock it and decock the gun using the decocker. The hammer will not rest on the firing pin. It sits in what my experience has been called the safety intercept notch. If it’s called something else, whatever.

Now cock it again. Put your thumb on the hammer to keep it from dropping. Pull the trigger and keep it pulled. Ease the hammer forward with the trigger pulled. You can push it against the firing pin. That’s what Officer Paderez did in order to get it to fit in the holster with the snap closed. It was too tight to go over the hammer in the normal “safety intercept notch.” So he was carrying the pistol in the holster with the firing pin safety deactivated from a trigger pull and the hammer resting against the firing pin. Drop that pistol on the hammer and guess what happens? It discharges and unfortunately it was aimed at Officer Paderez’s head when it did.

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Originally posted by colt_saa:

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Originally posted by BuddyChryst:

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Originally posted by colt_saa:

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Originally posted by BuddyChryst:
Yes, with one caveat:

The pistol must be decocked using the decocker.

There was a cop that cheaped out by not getting the right holster and to jam his classic SIG into it, he would thumb down the hammer then hold the hammer forward to snap the holster strap over it. This bypasses the firing pin safety. He then managed to drop it walking out to his car and it fell on the hammer, discharging it, killing him. ETA: the officer was Jesse Paderez if you want to look into it.

The point is, as long as it’s decocked back to the safety intercept, you’re fine.

I do not know the entire story of Jesse Paderez's incident or what posts you have read, but the P220 that the Officer was carrying has no parts that reset the firing pin block when the firearm is decocked and thee is nothing that is called the "safety intercept".

The firing pin block in mot all of the TDA metal framed P-series firearms is moved out of the way only when the trigger is in the rearward most position

The P239s that we are discussing in this thread work the same way

Lowering the hammer by either method leaves the firearm in the same state

I can not tell you why Jesse Paderez's firearm discharged as I did not inspect it and I have no inclination to read through posts and reports on the incident.

Try it yourself with an unloaded gun. Cock it and decock the gun using the decocker. The hammer will not rest on the firing pin. It sits in what my experience has been called the safety intercept notch. If it’s called something else, whatever.

Now cock it again. Put your thumb on the hammer to keep it from dropping. Pull the trigger and keep it pulled. Ease the hammer forward with the trigger pulled. You can push it against the firing pin. That’s what Officer Paderez did in order to get it to fit in the holster with the snap closed. It was too tight to go over the hammer in the normal “safety intercept notch.” So he was carrying the pistol in the holster with the firing pin safety deactivated from a trigger pull and the hammer resting against the firing pin. Drop that pistol on the hammer and guess what happens? It discharges and unfortunately it was aimed at Officer Paderez’s head when it did.

Your assumption as to how the firing pin block works is not correct

I apologize as I incorrectly presumed that you were using the term "safety intercept" to reference the firing pin block.

The purpose of the hammer's "safety intercept notch" (also often referred to as the half cock notch) is to catch a hammer that is falling from beyond the half cock position if the trigger is not being pulled. It insures that the hammer does not strike the firing pin.

However, if the hammer did strike the firing pin, the firing pin would still not be able to reach the primer due to the firing pin block

In a properly functioning P220 the firing pin block would still be in place even if the hammer of Officer Jesse Paderez's holstered pistol directly struck a hard surface no matter which method of decocking had been used

The firing pin block only gets moved out of the way when the trigger is in the rear most position. This is not a guess or assumption on my part, this is a FACT. Go and talk to any SIG Armorer and they will tell you the same thing as to how the firing pin block is deactivated

If you wish to learn about the firing pin block on your own, remove the slide from your P220 or P239 which are the two firearms mentioned in this thread

If you look at the underside of your slide, toward the rear you will see a circular plunger. This is where the firing pin block is controlled

The only way to move that block out of the way is to pull the trigger.

Now look at your frame. Toward the rear sight there is a lever with a small finger sticking up on the right side of the firearm. That lever only pushes the finger up when the trigger is in the rear ward position. To prove this to yourself go and begin to pull your trigger and you will see it rise. Release your trigger and the spring tension of the firing pin stop's plunger pushes it back down.

If the trigger on your P220 or P239 (which are the two firearms mentioned in this thread) is not in the rear position, the firing pin can not reach the primer even if the hammer takes a direct blow