Good morning all... I just acquired a sig P220 in 7.65 para (30 luger). I am trying to find information on this, such as how many were produced, I know we have many 220 experts here....
thanks in advance.

Lucky dawg you. A few, and I mean few, Members own them. I consider those a rare find. The owner of this Forum has one. I consider this model among the classiest P220 you could own. You need to post pictures. What a sweet little slide gun. If they had applied the same high quality finish to these like the Browning BDA, I can tell you the price would be quite high.

What all did you get with the pistol and how many magazines?

gun (reportedly only test fired), box, manual, test target. and sadly, only one magazine. In the crappy blue piano hinge box.

and you are right about the polished slides, i have all 3 BDA's, and those slides are NICE!!

Wow! Group photo..

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Originally posted by jackpot41:
Good morning all... I just acquired a sig P220 in 7.65 para (30 luger). I am trying to find information on this, such as how many were produced, I know we have many 220 experts here....
thanks in advance.

Was this the one that Historic Investments had listed? Looked hard at that one and a Swiss 220 they had as well.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
Wow! Group photo..

Yes please!!!

Para... that is a beautiful P220, and MCS, no, came from WI.

If you'll notice, my pistol- and yours as well, I'm certain- has a Type 1 slide, even though the pistol is proofed well after the time SIG-Sauer ceased using this type of slide.

These pistols were produced primarily for the Italian market, where the 9x19mm cartridge is prohibited for civilian ownership.

As to the numbers produced, I couldn't tell you and I don't think anyone outside of SIG-Sauer Europe could, and that information is now dust in the wind. It certainly wasn't a large number. If I had to guess, I'd say less than a thousand, but while quite scarce in the United States, this chambering of the P220 does not qualify- in my opinion- to be called "rare". That's a very overused term.

Care to share your serial number, proof date, and if the pistol has the Italian catalog number?

para, i shall, it's presently inbound, should be here midweek.

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These pistols were produced primarily for the Italian market, where the 9x19mm cartridge is prohibited for civilian ownership.

I read last year that the Italian no-military restriction had been lifted. So things like 7.65P, 9x21, and .45 HP are unnecessary now.

I admit to a fascination with .30 Luger but any time I feel the checkbook getting loose, I just think about light bullet 9mm and get over it.
I could still get involved with a 9mm Browning Long if an uncut FN showed up nearby.

According to what I've been able to find, the Italian "National Firearms Catalog" was enacted in 1976. It was designed to decide if a firearm was a War Firearm or a Common Firearm. There were many more considerations in addition to caliber. "The said catalog and the related commission has been abolished since 2012." The National Proof house now admits or rejects firearms pending transportation. I have no idea what the current standards are. I would love to locate more reference on the "catalog".

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
I admit to a fascination with .30 Luger but any time I feel the checkbook getting loose, I just think about light bullet 9mm and get over it.
I could still get involved with a 9mm Browning Long if an uncut FN showed up nearby.

At this point it seems unlikely to ever happen, but I still argue that a 4" or 5" barreled .30 Super Carry, particularly with a +P load, could be a lot of fun. If it happened now, it might be a cheaper/easier alternative to the .30 Luger and the various 9mm Longs that proliferated in Europe and then died away after WWII.

Anyone here tried to find and buy any .30 luger ammo? I'm guessing its no longer made, as 9mm ammo is an easy sale. At the big Louisville gun show one vendor had a few boxes for sale for a long time. I finally bought them. He asked what I was going to do with them, so I lied and said shoot them. They're still in the dungeon, along with the .30 cal barrel and recoil spring.

rburg, Switzer Arms in Milford usually has boxes of 30 Luger. He is pricey but Bill is a super likable man.

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At this point it seems unlikely to ever happen, but I still argue that a 4" or 5" barreled .30 Super Carry, particularly with a +P load, could be a lot of fun.

Nighthawk will sell you a full size .30 SC. Holds one or two more rounds than 9mm P.

I don't know what .30 SC +P would be, it is already at higher pressure than most.

The ammo is usually in stock where I'm at, but I may be the reason it is there to begin with.

I have a few Sigs (and one Glock) in 7.65mm. They are fun to shoot and nobody runs off with my brass.

I have a Ruger P89x that came with a .30 cal Luger barrel and recoil spring....along with the standard 9mm.