Why Are There So Few (True) Glock 19 Competitors?

August 24, 2017, 10:42 AM

cslinger

Agree the P10c comes the closest.

Honestly I think the biggest advantage the Glock 19 has or really most Glocks is they have been used by a bazillion people ranging from civilian to LEO to Mil to secret squirrels etc etc and have a proven history of durability and reliability along with ease of maintaining along with huge parts support. It's these things that make it a juggernaut.

All the it's an ounce heavier, it holds a round or two less etc arguments are really just magazine racing imo.

Glocks are GREAT guns and are proven as such.

That being said like JJones said there are actually a ton of other choices out there.

Chris

August 24, 2017, 10:43 AM

Ryanp225

The CZ P01 is another great G19 alternative.
After adding G10 grips to mine it feels like a single stack.

August 24, 2017, 11:16 AM

ACP1

I like the first 19, S&W made it.

August 24, 2017, 11:32 AM

glow

quote:
Originally posted by Ryanp225:
The CZ P01 is another great G19 alternative.
After adding G10 grips to mine it feels like a single stack.

It is also nearly as tall as a G17, when compared side to side (magazine in, of course). It does carry more like a G19, but I have to deal with the beaver tail and the butt of the grip.

That being said, it is somewhat unfair to compare hammerfired pistols to striker fired pistols. A hammer axle takes up too much vertical space (or it eats up grip space) compared to a striker mechanism. This leads to the ultimate compromise of having a taller pistol just to keep the same amount of grip space.

August 24, 2017, 02:07 PM

yugo308guy

Steyr M9A1, virtually the exact same dimensions, better ergonomics, better trigger. 15 or 17 Rd mags. Can have nightsightss if you prefer over the Trapizoidal original sights.

Problem solved.

August 24, 2017, 02:15 PM

caneau

quote:
Originally posted by yugo308guy:
Steyr M9A1, virtually the exact same dimensions, better ergonomics, better trigger. 15 or 17 Rd mags. Can have nightsightss if you prefer over the Triangle original sights.

Problem solved.

Those exist outside of Wikipedia? I've never seen one on a gun store shelf. Or in a holster. Or at the range. Must be a runaway success that flies off the shelves or just that good when it comes to concealing. : )

August 24, 2017, 02:17 PM

cslinger

They really are great pistols and shoot well but ...... they don't have the market or marketing that Glock does.

August 24, 2017, 02:26 PM

yugo308guy

Honestly, I've never really understood the problem with that. Outside of a good holster and nightsights, which are available, if the firearm is solid, what else do you need? The rest is mostly superfluous.

Of course there is a huge aftermarket for Glocks, they need it!

August 24, 2017, 04:22 PM

caneau

So here's another idea to spur on some conversation. It seems there is a number of companies i
making compact guns that are on the largish side. Even the Steyr and P10c are really closer in size to the G17 than 19. Not a bad thing unless everyone is doing it. Something I heard a lot in high school.

Are there any big subcompacts? Yeah, I know that's an oxymoron like "Pretty Glock" but hear me out.
- 3.75" barrel
- 3 fingered grip without any gimmicky extensions. I don't want to touch the magazine with my right hand. Call me particular if you will.
- No finger grooves because seriously, who actually likes finger groves?
- 5" or less height. Because size matters.

Bueller? Bueller?.

August 24, 2017, 04:28 PM

RHINOWSO

The fact is the G19 has reached "AR15" status of the handgun world.

You can make a G19 without a single piece from Gaston Glock.

You can even make a "Ghost Glock" with a 80% receiver.

Is it perfect? No, but it's widespread acceptance as a standard to deviate from is hard to argue against.

And that size factor hasn't yet been matched, without sacrificing grip length or magazine capacity (often both).

August 24, 2017, 04:54 PM

Ryanp225

quote:
Originally posted by glow:
quote:
Originally posted by Ryanp225:
The CZ P01 is another great G19 alternative.
After adding G10 grips to mine it feels like a single stack.

It is also nearly as tall as a G17, when compared side to side (magazine in, of course). It does carry more like a G19, but I have to deal with the beaver tail and the butt of the grip.

That being said, it is somewhat unfair to compare hammerfired pistols to striker fired pistols. A hammer axle takes up too much vertical space (or it eats up grip space) compared to a striker mechanism. This leads to the ultimate compromise of having a taller pistol just to keep the same amount of grip space.

Not correct.
I'm sitting here looking at my P01 and G19 side by side and if anything the P01 is a bit shorter with a flush mag.
After carrying the G19 for 3 years and the P01 for the last year and a half I can say that the beavertail is not noticed while carrying.

August 24, 2017, 05:00 PM

Ryanp225

quote:
Originally posted by caneau:
So here's another idea to spur on some conversation. It seems there is a number of companies i
making compact guns that are on the largish side. Even the Steyr and P10c are really closer in size to the G17 than 19. Not a bad thing unless everyone is doing it. Something I heard a lot in high school.

Are there any big subcompacts? Yeah, I know that's an oxymoron like "Pretty Glock" but hear me out.
- 3.75" barrel
- 3 fingered grip without any gimmicky extensions. I don't want to touch the magazine with my right hand. Call me particular if you will.
- No finger grooves because seriously, who actually likes finger groves?
- 5" or less height. Because size matters.

Bueller? Bueller?.

Here's your gun.
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p...ck-alloy-14-rd-mags/

August 24, 2017, 05:25 PM

FenderBender

what I fail to grasp is how no one can seem to match the capacity of glocks.

August 24, 2017, 06:13 PM

caneau

quote:
Originally posted by Ryanp225:
quote:
Originally posted by caneau:
So here's another idea to spur on some conversation. It seems there is a number of companies i
making compact guns that are on the largish side. Even the Steyr and P10c are really closer in size to the G17 than 19. Not a bad thing unless everyone is doing it. Something I heard a lot in high school.

Are there any big subcompacts? Yeah, I know that's an oxymoron like "Pretty Glock" but hear me out.
- 3.75" barrel
- 3 fingered grip without any gimmicky extensions. I don't want to touch the magazine with my right hand. Call me particular if you will.
- No finger grooves because seriously, who actually likes finger groves?
- 5" or less height. Because size matters.

Bueller? Bueller?.

Here's your gun.
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p...ck-alloy-14-rd-mags/

That weighs half a pound more than a G19. One of my other hobbies is cycling. People will pay thousands of dollars to drop half a pound of weight from their road bike. How much is half a pound of weight from your belt worth?

And it's not the size I'm looking for. It feels closer to a P228 than a 19.

August 24, 2017, 06:20 PM

caneau

quote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
what I fail to grasp is how no one can seem to match the capacity of glocks.

I don't mean to be rude but, who cares?

Have you ever heard of a defensive, non-LE use of a handgun where more than 10 rounds were used? I've read dozens of accounts of such uses and even seen a few videos. Seven or eight is about it. It's usually over in three or four shots.

Short of a prolonged firefight which is virtually unheard of outside of the military and law enforcement, there's no real need for 15 rounds. 10 or 12 would be more than sufficient if packaged appropriately in something that was easy to carry and easy to shoot.

August 24, 2017, 06:29 PM

PorterN

quote:
Originally posted by PorterN:
Similarly, nothing will replace the G19 for me. but I've really come to love my Caracal F. it's *slightly* taller since it's a full sized gun, but the barrel is the same length. i did love the Caracal C back when it was available though.

I recant my previous statement. the Caracal F is definitely a full-size gun - it's taller than the G19 by about a good quarter of an inch. They're about the same overall length with the Beavertail on my G19, but the caracal does have a longer slide - despite barrels being the same length.

August 24, 2017, 06:32 PM

Prefontaine

quote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
what I fail to grasp is how no one can seem to match the capacity of glocks.

Nor match their light weight. The combo of weight, capacity, and size remains unsurpassed.

August 24, 2017, 06:35 PM

caneau

quote:
Originally posted by Prefontaine:
quote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
what I fail to grasp is how no one can seem to match the capacity of glocks.

Nor match their light weight. The combo of weight, capacity, and size remains unsurpassed.

The G19 is lighter than most subcompact guns. That's nuts.