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Pachmayr "Guardian Grip" - J-Frame grip with deployable finger rest

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October 19, 2017, 11:31 AM
RogueJSK
Pachmayr "Guardian Grip" - J-Frame grip with deployable finger rest
Looks to be an interesting concept. The concealability of a traditional two-finger "boot grip", with a finger extension that automatically deploys when the revolver is gripped/drawn and the middle finger depresses a lever on the front of the grip.



Seems to offer the best of both worlds for those who want an easier to conceal shorter grip but prefer to shoot with a full size grip.

Time will tell whether it's just a gimmick, or actually useful.




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcvsDhNtLw0
October 19, 2017, 12:38 PM
Snake207
I have to say, that's pretty ingenious.

MSRP is just under $50 - will be interesting to see what these feel like in person and how well built they are.

Kinda reminds me of the moveable pinky extension on Beretta 9000s magazines.


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October 19, 2017, 01:37 PM
radioman
analogous to a folding stock Smile


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October 19, 2017, 01:40 PM
Johnny 3eagles
Well, there goes another $50! Smile





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October 19, 2017, 01:45 PM
Dusty78
Some dufus will inevitably try to deploy the grip
And shoot themselves in the ass. Cool idea though. I just don’t think it’s very needed. The standard rubber grip on my 360 is just fine. I have no trouble with controllability or recoil management.


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October 19, 2017, 02:11 PM
Fredward
Very cool. And if we were down to needs....but we're not.
October 19, 2017, 02:25 PM
sns3guppy
Not interested. The standard boot grip works just fine, especially on a .38 spl.
October 19, 2017, 02:42 PM
Nipper
Very clever idea. However, just a few comments:

1) Functionally, I find the pinky to be the least important digit. With short grip guns, the rear of the grip is more critical for me. Some short grips hit a certain part of my lower palm (bone) and make the gun grip sensitive. Had a Colt O.M. that I sold due to that issue.

2) Don't like the fact that the index finger is used to activate. Physiologically, there is a sympathetic response between the index and trigger fingers. In other words, squeeze with index and the trigger finger wants to go along. Could cause a problem with a fumbled draw where the shooter is attempting to actuate the "button" late after the gun is just out of the holster.

3) The video shows a two stage draw with the activation first, pause and then the draw. Could be just for the demo though. You'd have to actually try it and see if this causes any problem with the smoothness and/or speed of the draw.

IMO, it has some potential drawbacks while "solving" something that isn't really a problem. I have a number of Pachmayrs for my revolvers and like them as is.


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October 19, 2017, 03:10 PM
Il Cattivo
I'm kind of surprised that they didn't offer a "fixed" extention as an option and that they didn't offer grips for the SP101 as well as the LCRs.
October 19, 2017, 05:02 PM
henryarnaud
Nipper,

I think you meant activation by the middle finger.

Also, it seems like simply gripping the gun like one normally would is all that's needed to activate it. I think the "extra" step was just for demo purposes.

Having said all that, I don't see myself using that. I EDC a 642 with Spegel boot grips. I also have small-medium hands. I can get at least a 2.5-finger grip on the front strap. I have another 642 with PGS Hideout grips and I can get at least a 2.75-finger grip on it. I don't see this grip offering me enough increased performance, or potential performance, to change grips.



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October 19, 2017, 06:34 PM
arfmel
Looks like a potentially troublesome useless doodad to me.
October 19, 2017, 06:48 PM
henryarnaud
It looks like the worst-case scenario if it doesn't work is that the extension doesn't drop, which won't keep the gun from firing.



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October 19, 2017, 07:27 PM
egregore
This would make more sense if the finger piece were retracted (flush) for pocket/ankle carry and extended for when you wish to carry it on a belt, in other words, left in one position or the other. Having it drop down during the draw doesn't make sense to me. If you're drawing the gun in the first place, it's because you need it bad and fast. Why add an extra step?
October 19, 2017, 08:00 PM
Nipper
quote:
Originally posted by henryarnaud:
Nipper,
I think you meant activation by the middle finger.

Yep, thanks. It's been a long day...


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October 19, 2017, 08:35 PM
pedropcola
I think you guys are over thinking this one. He activated by simply gripping the firearm as normally you would. The video showed a two step process to illustrate the activation. As for useless over complexity, the failure mode would result in zero loss of functionality.

Yes, the pinky is clearly the least important finger in the finger family when shooting but if you actually PREFER to shoot with your pinky gripping nothing but air you sir are the one guy who does. No one prefers a grip where the pinky is airborne. No one.

Necessary? Of course not.
October 20, 2017, 08:18 PM
wrightd
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Originally posted by arfmel:
Looks like a potentially troublesome useless doodad to me.

I'm not buyin it either. Transformers for revolver stocks ? Yea ok.




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